Rob Schaap concludes: > >It is good that we can engage in this ideological dialogue among ourselves > >here. But if we aren't willing to think the whole process out and consider > >social forces that will get in the way of any progressive social > >transformation, then we are merely pontificating among ourselves. > > William White has, I reckon, made some points which go the very heart of > explaining why the left is where Michael Perelman has just located it. > > G'Night all - and thanks, Valis, All the more to you, Rob. I hope you kicked off a monster of a thread! valis