Louis: ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY LISTEN UP. THE ONLY THING I ACCUSED NOAM CHOMSKY AND MIKE ALBERT OF IS ATTACKING MARXISM. TO THIS CHARGE THEY HAVE ALREADY PLEAD GUILTY. CASE CLOSED. I AM SATISFIED AT THIS POINT, UNTIL I HEAR EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, THAT MARKET-SOCIALISM, WHICH ALBERT DOES OPPOSE, IS LIKE POSTMODERNISM: SNAKE-OIL POPULAR AMONG ACADEMICS WHO WANT TO FEEL 'RADICAL' WHILE ENJOYING THE STATION AND PRIVILEGES ASSOCIATED WITH TENURE. A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT CHOMSKY'S ANARCHISM AND ALBERT'S POSTMARXISM. UNTIL THEN, DON'T BRING THEIR NAMES UP TO ME AGAIN. On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Rhon Baiman wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Louis N Proyect wrote: > > > Save your energy, Mikey, we're going to have a great debate later on. By the > > way, I have people like Paul Sweezy, Harry Magdoff, Ellen Meiksins Wood, > > David Harvey, Leo Panitch, etc. in my corner (figuratively). > > I believe an ideological fight has been brewing for some time now. You > > should have heard Harry Magdoff duking it out with Frank Roosevelt and > > David Belkins at the Brecht Forum the other night. Harry called "market > > socialism" an industry in the same way post-modernism is. I don't think > > ideas like postmodernism, Mondragonism, market socialism, etc. can be > > harmonized with the ideas of the Communist Manifesto, State and Revolution, > > etc. It's about time that we sorted these matters out. > > > > Louis, > > As someone who has been debating David Belkins for some time, you > should know that Albert and Hanhel are among the most vigrous anti market > socialists around and certainly opposed to Belkin and Roosevelt. I also > think they've done brilliant work in this area particularly their book > on "The New Revolution in Welfare Economics" though I have some doubts > about the feasability of their precise socialist model - I myself lean > toward some modifications a la pat Devine and David Laibman. This is just > to give you an idea that their is a lot of overlap between "Marxists" and > A&H who do not at all discount Marxism as I unmderstand them. > > In any case good luck! Hopefully this will be constructive. > > In Pen-L Solidarity, > > Ron Baiman > Roosevelt Univ. > > Chicago > > >