Re: Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method,history and revolution

2000-06-28 Thread Rob Schaap
How do you mean self-institutionalising? Just that most Marxists seem to agree that the development of a class for itself would have to occur outside extant institutions. The theory being that those extant institutions (including unions) are complicit in the perpetuation of capitalist

Re: Re: Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method,history and revolution

2000-06-28 Thread Joanna Sheldon
Hi Rob, Just that most Marxists seem to agree that the development of a class for itself would have to occur outside extant institutions. The theory being that those extant institutions (including unions) are complicit in the perpetuation of capitalist hegemony, and that any policy to advance

Re: Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method,history and revolution

2000-06-28 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: At 12:17 AM 6/28/00 +1000, you wrote: That leaves what I take to be the true dialectician, who is never wrong, because s/he's always content with the useless (by natural scientific standards of proof and prediction). a dialectician might never be wrong in terms of

Aimless blather on dialectics, method, history and revolution

2000-06-27 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day all, Unlike Justin, I was actually enjoying his run-in with Jim (and Rod's apposite intervention) - it put me in mind of Heilbroner's *The Nature and Logic of Capitalism* and one of a hundred quotes therefrom which seem appropriate here: "It seems hardly necessary to state again the

Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method, history and revolution

2000-06-27 Thread JKSCHW
Rob said: Unlike Justin, I was actually enjoying his run-in with Jim (and Rod's apposite intervention) . . . Well, someone should, I guess. Justin's impatience with debates about methodology might be the product of living in an intellectual environment where one finds oneself confonted

Re: Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method, history and revolution

2000-06-27 Thread Jim Devine
Justin wrote: Jim, although his own work is more or less pure analytical Marxism as I conceive it, is allergic to the particular prejudices and approaches of the former AMs. Je ne suis pas un Marxiste analytique. (I'm sorry if my grammar is bad. It's been more than 30 years since high school

Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method, history and revolution

2000-06-27 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:17 AM 6/28/00 +1000, you wrote: That leaves what I take to be the true dialectician, who is never wrong, because s/he's always content with the useless (by natural scientific standards of proof and prediction). a dialectician might never be wrong in terms of abstract theory, but when that

Re: Aimless blather on dialectics, method, history and revolution

2000-06-27 Thread Joanna Sheldon
Or is the central question to do with that self-institutionalising dissenting movement? Human agency - the self-conscious drive to become the subject of our history, if you like. I have no idea why these movements pop up when they do - and why they don't when they don't. Neither the