Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-13 Thread Louis Proyect
Tom Kruse: With some VERY important exceptions, of course. For example the Labor Committee on Central America, some of TecNica's labor delegations, community based material aid through the Quijote Center, etc. In the examples cited there was, sometimes, more than "single issue" politics going

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-13 Thread Dollars and Sense
First off, as someone who DID read Moore's original piece, he very clearly stated that BOTH opposition to corporate power and the Contras were important. (In the sentence immediately follwing the two htat have been quoted above.) I thought his article was provocative in a good way, perhaps over

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-13 Thread MDROHAN
Behind the controversy between Michael Moore and Alex Cockburn, I believe is what might be termed a class division within the so-called left. On the one hand, there are the more academic and intellectual left,to which I think both Moore and Cockburn in their own way belong and then the

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-13 Thread Thomas Kruse
A couple of notes on "Nicaragua vs. Detroit". I spent 1985-90 in Nicaragua, often in war zones, saw a lot of the stuff mentioned in some of the missives. I also read the Moore article in the Nation (seems I get it here before the west coast of the US). I found the article wonderful, very much

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-13 Thread William S. Lear
On Wed, November 12, 1997 at 22:08:30 (-0800) Nathan Newman writes: Except for a small handful of Americans who physically went down to Nicaragua and put their bodies in between the Contras and the peasants, your analogy doesn't hold. What most folks were doing in the solidarity movement was

Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-12 Thread James Devine
Louis points to a verbal war between Alexander Cockburn and Michael Moore. As usual, these guys probably both are right (and both wrong) in different ways. I think Moore's critique of the Left is largely friendly: he wants us to be more involved with talking to actual working people and less

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-12 Thread Nathan Newman
On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, William S. Lear wrote: If Moore actually said this: while GM employees were being laid off by the thousands, 'the left' was in Nicaragua supporting the Sandinistas, or in Philly protesting the death penalty. then, I don't blame Cockburn for being upset.

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-12 Thread William S. Lear
On Wed, November 12, 1997 at 17:38:41 (-0800) Nathan Newman writes: On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, William S. Lear wrote: If Moore actually said this: while GM employees were being laid off by the thousands, 'the left' was in Nicaragua supporting the Sandinistas, or in Philly protesting

Re: Alex Cockburn vs. Michael Moore

1997-11-12 Thread William S. Lear
On Wed, November 12, 1997 at 11:09:58 (-0800) James Devine writes: I think Moore's critique of the Left is largely friendly: he wants us to be more involved with talking to actual working people and less involved with obscure debates, etc. (See his article in a recent NATION, which folks on the