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In a message dated 9/4/00 5:34:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<< >I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children
an
>exploited class?
Are t
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terms of totality and happiness. Nor did Marx invent the concept of
genesis, development and finality.
CB: Baudrillard seems to be misrepresenting Marx with respect to Marx subscribing to
the "finality" part of what Baudrillard is criticizing. Marx does not foreclose
de
In a message dated 9/4/00 5:34:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< >I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children
an
>exploited class?
Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my
mind.
Doug
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An expensive
Calling Dr. Becker, Calling Dr. Becker.
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> Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my mind.
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> Doug
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Louis Proyect wrote:
>I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children an
>exploited class?
Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my mind.
Doug
>Oh really? What of Robbins' work are you thinking of?
>
>Doug
I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children an
exploited class?
Louis Proyect
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Louis Proyect wrote:
>The problem with Baudrillard is that he blames this not just vulgarized
>Marxism, but science itself for the oppression of primitive peoples. In
>this he is consistent with people like Bruce Robbins
Oh really? What of Robbins' work are you thinking of?
Doug
Just to refresh people's memory on Baudrillard, he is a leading French
postmodernist thinker who has achieved some notoriety in recent years for
two of his "interventions." On the eve of the Gulf War, he argued that
television had made actual war superfluous. He predicted an unce
;events not experienced by the potatoes?
Well, the experience of those who were bombed was certainly different
from that of those who watched the events on TV.
>
>I guess you could say this, keeping in mind that Baudrillard does
>not celebrate but criticizes our post-modern soc
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> You might have exprienced the war through the medium of
of experience.
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>> >...Callinicos is not to be
>> >trusted on Baudrillard, or any postmodernist; he has yet to outgrow
>> >the infantilism of international revolution.
>>
>> Does postmodernism aim at maturity? I don't think so. Is it maturit
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Ricardo Duchesne:
>Nothing absurd about Baudrillard&#x
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ricardo Duchesne
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>Nothing absurd about Baudrillard's analysis of the Gulf war.
Wouldn't Baudrillard be disappointed with the judgement that his work
was not absurd?
> The war
>was hardly "real"
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> Louis writes: >On the eve of the Gulf War, [Baudrillard] ar
At 12:26 PM 1/11/98 -0800, Jim Devine wrote:
>Louis writes: >On the eve of the Gulf War, [Baudrillard] argued that
>television made actual war superfluous. <
>
>Baudrillard was absurd, but it sure suggests the recent Robert de
>Niro/Dustin Hoffman flick "Wag the Dog,&quo
Louis writes: >On the eve of the Gulf War, [Baudrillard] argued that
television made actual war superfluous. <
Baudrillard was absurd, but it sure suggests the recent Robert de
Niro/Dustin Hoffman flick "Wag the Dog," in which a spin doctor and a
Hollywood producer conjure up
they need the uranium within our
>land to feed the industrial system of the society, the culture of which the
>Marxists ARE STILL A PART."
>Churchill does have kind words for Jean Baudrillard's "The Mirror of
>Production." According to Churchill, Baudrillard reaches ma
Heartfield:
>Louis Proyect is right to say that post-modernism and
>indigenism have the same outlook, because both are an expression of the
>anti-enlightenment thinking. From this reactionary standpoint it is
>right to say that Marxism and Capitalism share the same prejudice
>towards progress and
m for political and intellectual support for their struggle.
Ward Churchill describes his own intellectual odyssey in the introduction
to the book. A Creek/Cherokee, Churchill made the rounds of all the Marxist
groups, including the outfit I belonged to at the time, the Trotskyist SWP.
He considered himse
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