Zbigniew wrote:
> Why? Wasn't Chile his (and his "Chicag boys") big success?
No Zbigniew,
It was basicly the success of Pinochet, if we avoid going into
details. Fried-man simply liked and supported Pinochet. I happen
to have grown up with the songs of Victor Jara and Inti Illimani
because of m
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26857] Re: re: "Free market, enslaved people "
I wrote:> > What defines capitalism is not really unemployment, but the class system, i.e., existence of proletarianization, in which the vast majority lack the bonds of feudalism or slavery and also lack direct
Marx refer about tax as below in Communist manifest
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On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:48:42PM +0200, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote:
>in my
> opinion, the real (it doesn't mean "in it's every aspect ideal")
> capitalism was - as perhaps the best example - United States before 1913.
By the late nineteenth century, strong competitive forces were destroying
US ca
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> [..]
> What defines capitalism is not really unemployment, but the class system,
> i.e., existence of proletarianization, in which the vast majority lack the
> bonds of feudalism or slavery and also lack direct control over the means of
> subsistence an
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> the NYT article suggests that the Polish recession was due to the slowdown
> of the world economy, the central bank's keeping of the zloty high, etc.,
> not due to high taxes.
Of course, it's very comfortable explanation for our government; I
underst
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Charles Brown wrote:
> Those of us living in capitalism have some bad news for you. Real world
> capitalism is not like it is in the textbooks, a "free" market. It
> inevitably becomes monopoly capitalism, with the market controlled by
> the biggest businesses , the small bu
"Free market, enslaved people"
by Zbigniew Baniewski
12 June 2002 22:39 UTC < < <
Zbigniew,
Those of us living in capitalism have some bad news for you. Real world capitalism is
not like it is in the textbooks, a "free" market. It inevitably becomes monopoly
Title: re: "Free market, enslaved people "
> > I asked: >>is it democracy on the work-place level?
> >
> > Zbigniew answers:>there is less democracy at workplace,
> because the people are afraid to lose their jobs.<
I replied:
>> That'
Just some errata:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> [..] -- impoverished state services for the rest."
Oh, if you mean the current situation, not the wanted one - you're right
pozdrawiam / regards
Zbign
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> This is interesting, Zbigniew.
I can agree with you - but be sure, taking a look at it is better, than
living with it... ;)
> I asked: >>is it democracy on the work-place level?
>
> Zbigniew answers:>there is less democracy at workplace, because the
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26780] Re: RE: Re: RE: "Free market, enslaved people "
I wrote: >> it seems more likely to be explained by simple Keynesian theory [than by the Laffer curve theory]: if tax-payer incomes fall due to a recession [described by the NYT article], government t
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26781] Re: RE: Re: RE: "Free market, enslaved people "
This is interesting, Zbigniew.
I asked: >>is it democracy on the work-place level?
Zbigniew answers:>there is less democracy at workplace, because the people are afraid to lose their jobs.<
T
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> Zbigniew Baniewski writes: >Not quite - what they got, is some kind of
> "banana republic" with democracy. I can assure you, we've got a lot of
> democracy here in Poland. A lot of democracy and still fewer and fewer free
> market...<
>
> is it democrac
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Devine, James wrote:
> > > Unemployment surged as companies, feeling the pinch of
> > > reduced demand, shed workers. Reduced tax receipts and
>
> Zbigniew Baniewski writes:>...as an obvious result of the "Laffer
> curve"-effect...<
>
> it seems more likely to be explained by
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26773] Re: RE: "Free market, enslaved people "
IAN FISHERÂ NYT , 6/12/02 writes:
> > Then in 2000 and 2001, the world economy turned, especially
> > that of Poland's main trading partner, Germany. Monetary
> > policies, aimed at staving
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26773] Re: RE: "Free market, enslaved people "
The NY TIMES writes:
> In Communist times, no one was louder than Poland's famously feisty
> shipyard workers about the state's inability to provide a decent standard of
> living. So now it se
ot;average man from the street".
Unfortunately, our current government has it's own business for stopping
privatization - it's tied to businessmen, which are making money in the
public sector.
> > "There is an apropos graffiti," Krzysztof Bledowski, an
> > economist,
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26761] "Free market, enslaved people "
>In Communist times, no one was louder than Poland's famously feisty shipyard workers about the state's inability to provide a decent standard of living. So now it seems a cruel joke that, as the sparkle fades
quot; Krzysztof Bledowski, an economist, said as he sat in a
cafe in downtown Warsaw. He pointed across the street to a car parts shop, where
someone had scrawled on a wall: "Free market, enslaved people."
"It's the spirit of the day," he said. "The mood has shif
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