Ted, I loved the topic, and I will jump in, but tonight. I am under time pressure now. Unlike others, somehow, I did not relate it to the recent topic on psychology, and I thought you offered a *new* debate on ideas and materialism in relation to Aristo and Marx. May be I misunderstood your intention, but here you go. I will continue.. thanks, Mine Aysen Doyran Phd Student Political Science SUNY/Albany Albany/NY ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 15:04:14 -0500 From: Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:17644] Re: Marx's materialism Ted Winslow wrote: > > To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way > is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slightest ideas what this post is about because (a) I don't know who said that ideas can be "fully reduced" or in what context, and so (b) I don't know what "this way" means, and so (c) I don't know what ther relation of the quoted passages to any topic on this list is. In so far as I can understand it, I think I agree with the post. This is interesting because I consider Ted's ideas on psychology not so much wrong as not worth discussing. I wonder if we can find a common ground which will enable us to state our disagreements. I could perceive no common ground in his post on Freud/Klein etc. Carrol