I would add one more thing.Weber's definition of state is quite
misleading. If state is defined in terms of monopolization of power,I
don't think this is unique to capitalist state. If you carefully read
Weber's _Sociology of Ancient Civilizations_, where he analyzes
pre-capitalist states, you wi
>Jim Devine wrote: >In the terms I used, this positing of possessiveness
>reflected Hobbes' experience with the English Civil War and the rise of
>capitalist competition. <
Mine writes:
>Yes and No. Hobbes was not *simply* writing under the influence of his
>circumstances. He was also *norma
>>> "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/19/00 11:07AM >>>
Charles,
Frankly, I see the "withering away of the state" as
a millennial vision, like the second coming in Christianity.
When John the Baptist met Yeshua bin Miriam he
declared that he was the messiah and the "end is ne
hould not do so today either, although
the current political climate is distinctly reactionary, as near as
I can tell.
Barkley Rosser
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>>> "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/18/00 05:11PM >>>
Mark,
So, was this utopian or not? We certainly did
not see any withering away of the state, not in the
former USSR, not in the PRC, not anywhere that
was or is ruled by a self-labeled Communist Party
(or some variation
Jim Devine wrote: >In the terms I used, this positing of possessiveness
reflected >Hobbes' experience with the English Civil War and the rise of
capitalist >competition.
Yes and No. Hobbes was not *simply* writing under the influence of his
circumstances. He was also *normatively* endorsing ca
>>> "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/18/00 01:33PM >>>
The utopianism came
in when he actually discussed what socialism would
be, or more precisely communism, e.g. the withering
away of the state and "from each according to his
ability to each according to his needs;" all very ni
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>Barkley Rosser:
>
>> The utopianism came
>> in when he actually discussed what socialism would
>> be, or more precisely communism, e.g. the withering
>> away of the state and
I wrote:
>>This is basically right, except that Hobbes did not "naturalize"
property ownership.<<
Mine writes: >in fact, he did. this is the sole idea behind R's criticism
of Hobbes in _On the Origins of Inequality_. Hobbes falsely projected what
is social (property) onto human nature, to sa
Jim Devine wrote:.
>This is basically right, except that Hobbes did not "naturalize" property
>ownership.
in fact, he did. this is the sole idea behind R's criticism of Hobbes in
_On the Origins of Inequality_. Hobbes falsely projected what is social
(property) onto human nature, to say that
Barkley Rosser:
> The utopianism came
> in when he actually discussed what socialism would
> be, or more precisely communism, e.g. the withering
> away of the state and "from each according to his
> ability to each according to his needs;" all very nice,
> but also very utopian, especially t
>In fact some Marxists argue that although Marx did not completely agree
>with R's notion of the general will, he was positively inlfluenced by R's
>critique of private property (unlike liberals like Hobbes and Locke who
>naturalized property ownership as a basis for apologizing inequalities a
In fact some Marxists argue that although Marx did not completely agree
with R's notion of the general will, he was positively inlfluenced by R's
critique of private property (unlike liberals like Hobbes and Locke who
naturalized property ownership as a basis for apologizing inequalities
and poss
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Barkley wrote:
>In the Critique of the Gotha Program he clearly goes totally utopian in
his programmatic speculations.
Just the contrary. _The Critique of the Gotha Program_ is one of
Barkley wrote:
>In the Critique of the Gotha Program he clearly goes totally utopian in
his programmatic speculations.
Just the contrary. _The Critique of the Gotha Program_ is one of the most
"realist" criticisms of the program of the Eisenach faction of the German
social democratic movement.
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