Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-22 Thread Charles Brown
Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows by Louis Proyect 21 May 2002 19:40 UTC >Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical >Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7, >"The Problem of Lysen

RE: Cuban cows

2002-05-22 Thread Devine, James
> Cuban cows > by Devine, James > 21 May 2002 17:54 UTC > > from SLATE's summary of today's news from major US papers: > >An article in > the [Wall Street JOURNAL] says that Fidel Castro is pushing > his scientists > to clone milking-cows, with the goal being to replicate a famously > product

Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Cuba is at the forefront of pharmaceutical research, from what I can gather, especially considering that it is a small, poor country. I assume that they are also working with genetic engineering and cloning as well. I would appreciate learning more about this. Cuba has been especially successful

Re: RE: Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko >himself, who was simply updating Lamarck in a period when the alternative >Darwin-Mendel theory hadn't completely taken hold, even in the U.S. The >problem was that Lysenko's theory became The Party Line, a line which h

RE: Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
LP:> Yes, of course. There is another side to Lysenko. In fact Stephen Jay Gould treats him with considerable respect in one of his essays although I can't remember the technical details.< if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko himself, who was simply updatin

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
Fidel Castro is pushing his scientists >to clone milking-cows, with the goal being to replicate a famously >productive, and now deceased, Cuban bovine beast. . . . The idea, according >to the paper, was "to provide families with >miniature milk-cows that they could keep in their apartments. The

Re: Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical >Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7, >"The Problem of Lysenkoism." There were many elements involved, and it >was no matter of mere quackery. > >Carrol Yes, of course. There is another side t

Levins & Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: > > > > I don't know whether Lysenko's reputation revolved around quick, technical > solutions. I was under the impression that he was infamous for quackery > under pressure from Stalin. Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins & Lewontin, _The Dialectical Biologist_. T

Re: RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26138] RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows > I missed that part, probably since I was wandering about looking for a way > to get

RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
I missed that part, probably since I was wandering about looking for a way to get my glasses fixed. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > When I visited Cuba along with Jim Devine, one of the > greatest sources of > pride that I recall was the milk program. > --

Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Michael Perelman
When I visited Cuba along with Jim Devine, one of the greatest sources of pride that I recall was the milk program. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>Lysenko is relevant, as I've been informed by a friend who's an expert on >Soviet agriculture, because Lysenko became popular since he proposed a quick >technical solution to a serious political-economic problem. Cuban's problems >are completely different than those of the Stalin-era USSR, but th

RE: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: > >I'm sorry, but it sounds as if Fidel -- or one of his advisors -- has > >partaken of some grass grown in drawers under fluorescent lights. The intent > >is good, but Lysenko's ghost is hovering near-by. Louis writes: > Lysenko? What does he have to do with cloning? Leaving aside th

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
>I'm sorry, but it sounds as if Fidel -- or one of his advisors -- has >partaken of some grass grown in drawers under fluorescent lights. The intent >is good, but Lysenko's ghost is hovering near-by. > >Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Lysenko? What does he have

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26131] Cuban cows > from SLATE's summary of today's news from major US papers: >An article in > the [Wall Street JOURNAL] says that Fidel Castro i