Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ricardo wrote: >When Wood (and Brenner) tell us that capitalism is not commerce >they mean it. Capitalism did not grow naturally out of anything that >preceded it; it is so unknown in history, so novel, exceptional and >incomparable, that when it came, it did so "fully fledged". (Those >who clai

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner/

2000-10-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/00 03:12AM >>> >I have already cited Brenner's argument that we must study the >process of class struggles & class formations _in Africa_ to fully >account for the emergence of African slaves as commodities, as well >as class struggles & class formations _in the so-c

RE: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
It really, really helps to read Wood alongside Christopher Hill's "The World Turned Upside Down". Problems for the landlords [and the Parish System in general] began with the reign of Henry the VIIIth. Nor should we avoid the fact the rise of atheism in England had a lot to do with the eroding of

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Justin Schwartz
I have been staying out of this. and pretty much will, but I will remark that you are into the heart of the history of the land law, one of the very hardest topics in the history of law; if you are seriou about this, you must wrap your head around something like Brian Simpson, The Land Law, and

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner/

2000-10-26 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/00 02:33PM >>> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/00 03:12AM >>> >I have already cited Brenner's argument that we must study the >process of class struggles & class formations _in Africa_ to fully >account for the emergence of African slaves as commodities, as well >as cl

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Jim Devine
Charles writes: >CB: What is lesser known is the the truth cannot be found in a million >different books either - unless one selects the right ones. I've found that I can learn from almost any book, even the campaign autobiography of George W. Bush. It may give me more insights in psychopathol

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/00 11:55AM >>> Charles writes: >CB: What is lesser known is the the truth cannot be found in a million >different books either - unless one selects the right ones. I've found that I can learn from almost any book, even the campaign autobiography of George W. Bush.

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ricardo: >Yoshie, let's you leave at that; I just don't see anything in what you >cited from Brenner which goes against what I said Wood says. If >you think Brenner has to be combined with Wallerstein, that's fine >too. But I can assure you that Wood in particular would never >combine them (neith

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo: This is over The subject is exhausted. Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > So the English feudal ruling class was unique in that its extra- > economic powers were "increasingly concentrated in the central > state" beginning with the Norman conquest in the eleventh century. > Long before thei

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-11-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo, over means over. The difference between the threads is that this one is personal. If anyone wants to read your article, they know where to look On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 09:21:00AM -0400, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > > > Ricardo: This is over The subject is exhausted. > > That depe

Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner/

2000-10-26 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/00 03:12AM >>> I have already cited Brenner's argument that we must study the process of class struggles & class formations _in Africa_ to fully account for the emergence of African slaves as commodities, as well as class struggles & class formations _in the so-cal

Re: Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Yoshie: >However, _none_ of them argues that capitalism emerged at once, >"fully fledged," like the birth of Athena from the forehead of Zeus! >The emergence of capitalist social relations was a drawn-out >_process_ (not a linear Progress), born of contingent outcomes of >class struggles in Eu

Re: RE: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Jim Devine
Ian wrote: >It really, really helps to read Wood alongside Christopher Hill's "The World >Turned Upside Down". Problems for the landlords [and the Parish System in >general] began with the reign of Henry the VIIIth. Nor should we avoid the >fact the rise of atheism in England had a lot to do with

Re: Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Jim Devine
>CB: There is also a lot of falsehood in books, probably as much falsehood >as truth. Many books mislead many people. I find that one can learn from falsehoods. When Al Gore pretended to be Ronald Reagan in the first debate with George W. [sighing rather than saying "there you go again"], tha

Re: Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: >CB: There is also a lot of falsehood in books, probably as much >falsehood as truth. Many books mislead many people. Yes. That's why it's best to keep certain titles locked up, accessible only to those who have passed rigorous tests of ideological soundness, kind of like

Re: Re: E. Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/00 02:51PM >>> Charles Brown wrote: >CB: There is also a lot of falsehood in books, probably as much >falsehood as truth. Many books mislead many people. Yes. That's why it's best to keep certain titles locked up, accessible only to those who have passed rigorous