Re: Re: [ Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-19 Thread Julio Huato
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marx praised Ricardo for seeing how capitalism is expansionist (M - C - M'). But the latter, unlike Marx, saw the problem -- including the falling rate of profit -- as arising due to external processes (scarcity of land raw materials). You are right about

RE: Re: [ Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Jim and Julio - In Theories of Surplus Value (Vol II), Marx criticizes Ricardo exactly for NOT taking an M-C-M' view of things. Marx accuses Ricardo of treating capitalism as a barter or simple commodity exchange economy, and accepting uncritically Say's Law. No man produces, but with a view to

Re: RE: Re: [ Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-19 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:41 PM 7/19/01 -0500, you wrote: Jim and Julio - In Theories of Surplus Value (Vol II), Marx criticizes Ricardo exactly for NOT taking an M-C-M' view of things. Marx accuses Ricardo of treating capitalism as a barter or simple commodity exchange economy, and accepting uncritically Say's

Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Michael Perelman
The Nancy Stukey paper seems like another statement of the environmental Kuznets curve. Alan Krueger once presented this idea to the URPE meetings at the economics meetings. It was far from convincing. Some types of polluting behavior will indeed by cut back -- such as burning firewood for

Re: Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Julio Huato
Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Nancy Stukey paper seems like another statement of the environmental Kuznets curve. Alan Krueger once presented this idea to the URPE meetings at the economics meetings. It was far from convincing. Some types of polluting behavior will indeed by cut

RE: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Forstater, Mathew
the env. kuz stuff--is it 'dont worry about the env just grow? -Original Message- From: Julio Huato To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/15/01 7:53 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15181] Re: Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Nancy Stukey paper seems like another

Re: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Julio, I do not have any absolute proof, but I feel fairly confident that most of the pollution caused by consumption in the United States occurs offshore. The extractive industries are terribly destructive. Toxic wastes are shipped abroad. Ugly industries, such as the recycling of lead

Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Julio Huato
Yoshie: The essence of imperialism may be best understood as what is necessary to ensure the global reproduction of social relations of capitalism, for which a variety of means -- including embargoes -- are used, depending on what changing circumstances demand. [Etc.] I find this posting very

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Julio Huato
Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Julio, I do not have any absolute proof, but I feel fairly confident that most of the pollution caused by consumption in the United States occurs offshore. The extractive industries are terribly destructive. Toxic wastes are shipped abroad. Ugly industries,

RE: Re: Imperialism and Environment

2001-07-15 Thread Mark Jones
Yoshie Furuhashi: Moreover, since environmental regulations are local, national, at most regional (e.g., EU) affairs, capital can always displace condense environmental harms onto the politico-economically weakest links, so long as a multitude of political entities are competing with one