RE: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-08-06 Thread michael pugliese
Weird. All of a sudden I get a dozen or so pen-l posts from JUNE! Michael Pugliese >From: Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 6/17/01 1:27:24 AM > >Lou says: > >>As Colin Leys correctly noted in his silly 1978 Socialist Register article >>on the "bourgeois re

Re: Re: Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-19 Thread Louis Proyect
Justin: >postwar era were both workers and in a sense unfree labor. But unfree labor, >people constrained by direct coercion to work, has been with capitalism all >along. With capitalism? I am not sure what this means. For example, there were peasant communes in Russia that co-existed "with cap

Re: Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-18 Thread Justin Schwartz
Louis asks good hard questions here, but I think that the South African case mainly shows that ideal types are idealizations that don't always fit real world circumstances perfectly. Surely, Black South African workers in the postwar era were both workers and in a sense unfree labor. But unfree

Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: >I checked the web for the South African Communist Party before posting. I >do not recall their exact formulation and Proyect or others may be able to >supply a fuller explanation. What I recalled however is relevant to the >debate: that they needed a formula that took into accou

Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-18 Thread Michael Perelman
try to avoid characterizing other. On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 12:57:13AM +0100, Chris Burford wrote: > At 17/06/01 11:51 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: > >Bufrod: > > >In order to build a successful united front it is important to understand > > >the different positions of different sections of the wor

Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Bufrod: >In order to build a successful united front it is important to understand >the different positions of different sections of the working people. I advocate united fronts between working class organizations, not popular fronts between working class parties and bourgeois parties run by Ton

Re: Re: Precapitalist South Africa?

2001-06-17 Thread Louis Proyect
>What was the cause of the white capitalist class? > >Yoshie Their mommies and daddies had sex? Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/