Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread Jim Devine
Brad DeLong wrote: Pray for cleaner technology and raise the CAFE standards! has praying ever done any good? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: RE: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Max, Heck, I'll take both you and Peter, and maybe even the irascible Devine One up on that, :-). Barkley -Original Message- From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5071] RE: Re: Re: global

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:30 PM 11/29/00 -0500, you wrote: Max, Heck, I'll take both you and Peter, and maybe even the irascible Devine One up on that, :-). start pouring... Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread Peter Dorman
Maybe this is the time to vent an idea I've been carrying around... The Kyoto negotiations are an example of global quasi-governance processes that are proceeding fitfully but are absolutely essential to our future. I would add third world debt-reduction to this list, also global labor

Re: Re: RE: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Peter, Actually we are back to the ultimate appeal of and argument for the tradeable permits scheme, that it may achieve a given level of emissions reduction at the least cost. That means there will be less political resistance to tightening emissions standards. The very nature of the

RE: Re: RE: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-29 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Hey I used to work at a law firm in DC that liked to chew up environmental legislation on behalf of a huge corporate client list no matter how mild the regs. would be. They scuttled quite a bit of the Clean Air Act rewrite. Their tenacity and militancy should not be underestimated; they won't

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Doug, Louis Proyect wrote: Actually most people value peace and health more than shopping at the malls and cancer. That is the reason drug use and prozac is so widespread in the USA. Beneath the "good life" there is a profound feeling of despair. ...but which can't get articulated as

Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: Mike Lebowitz's book, BEYOND CAPITAL, deals with these issues of Marx's deterministic vision. While they have somewhat different agendas, and clash on some issues, Wood, Foster, and Harvey are all very good on the mixture of deterministic and non-deterministic elements in

Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Peter, Thanks for the reference. There is nothing stopping a firm that owns the right to emit a certain amount of a given pollutant to emit less. But it cannot emit more. Ceiling implies a maximum above which one cannot go. A floor is a minimum below which one cannot go. Tradeable

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread Peter Dorman
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: Peter, Thanks for the reference. There is nothing stopping a firm that owns the right to emit a certain amount of a given pollutant to emit less. No, but under a tradeable system the underpolluting firm sells its excess to another firm that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
le for both. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5061] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: Peter,

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-28 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Jr. Peter, Thanks for the reference. There is nothing stopping a firm that owns the right to emit a certain amount of a given pollutant to emit less. But it cannot emit more. Ceiling implies a maximum above which one cannot go. A floor is a minimum below which one cannot go.

Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure

2000-11-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Actually most people value peace and health more than shopping at the malls and cancer. That is the reason drug use and prozac is so widespread in the USA. Beneath the "good life" there is a profound feeling of despair. ...but which can't get articulated as despair. If I