Re: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > > > And "scummy" Negri is still under the care of the Italian state > because they think he's a dangerous revolutionary. > Stalin mobilized Odessa workers against a pogrom. That was indeed a dangerous revolutionary act-- more dangerous to the regime than anything Negri h

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread joanna bujes
 The difference seems to be that Hardt seems to be pretty positively disposed toward ultra-imperialism (imperialist unity) or what he and Negri call "empire." .. so the only question is, "what can be learned from such scum?" Joanna

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33194] Re: RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire. As Ahmet says and Carrol agrees, > I do not understand the need for a label. < that's right. Labels don't really help much, especially since they tend to become reified. (Also, I'm no expert on postmode

Re: RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread e. ahmet tonak
I do not understand the need for a label. Having said this, my reading of their book suggests that, on the one hand, they are, in their own way, critical of " post-modernist" theories, on the other, they approvingly use the concept of "post-modernity" to identify the present phase of the capita

Re: RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 17:20 PM >>> > Devine, James wrote: > >>>joanna bujes quotes Michael Hardt: >>>We can be confident that in the long run their >>>realinterests will lead >>>global elites to support empire and refuse any >>>project of US imperialism. >> >>this sentence sounds like an

Re: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > > Devine, James wrote: > > >joanna bujes quotes Michael Hardt: > >> >We can be confident that in the long run their real interests will lead > >> >global elites to support empire and refuse any project of US imperialism. > > > >this sentence sounds like an assertion of i

RE: Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire.

2002-12-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33190] Re: RE: imperialism vs. Empire. > Devine, James wrote: > > >joanna bujes quotes Michael Hardt: > >>  >We can be confident that in the long run their real > interests will lead > >>  >global elites to support empire and refuse any project > of US imperialism. > > > >