RE: Cuban cows

2002-05-22 Thread Devine, James
Cuban cows by Devine, James 21 May 2002 17:54 UTC from SLATE's summary of today's news from major US papers: An article in the [Wall Street JOURNAL] says that Fidel Castro is pushing his scientists to clone milking-cows, with the goal being to replicate a famously productive, and

Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-22 Thread Charles Brown
Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows by Louis Proyect 21 May 2002 19:40 UTC Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins Lewontin, _The Dialectical Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7, The Problem of Lysenkoism. There were many elements involved

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26131] Cuban cows from SLATE's summary of today's news from major US papers: An article in the [Wall Street JOURNAL] says that Fidel Castro is

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
I'm sorry, but it sounds as if Fidel -- or one of his advisors -- has partaken of some grass grown in drawers under fluorescent lights. The intent is good, but Lysenko's ghost is hovering near-by. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Lysenko? What does he have to

RE: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: I'm sorry, but it sounds as if Fidel -- or one of his advisors -- has partaken of some grass grown in drawers under fluorescent lights. The intent is good, but Lysenko's ghost is hovering near-by. Louis writes: Lysenko? What does he have to do with cloning? Leaving aside the

Re: RE: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Lysenko is relevant, as I've been informed by a friend who's an expert on Soviet agriculture, because Lysenko became popular since he proposed a quick technical solution to a serious political-economic problem. Cuban's problems are completely different than those of the Stalin-era USSR, but there

Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Michael Perelman
When I visited Cuba along with Jim Devine, one of the greatest sources of pride that I recall was the milk program. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
I missed that part, probably since I was wandering about looking for a way to get my glasses fixed. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine When I visited Cuba along with Jim Devine, one of the greatest sources of pride that I recall was the milk program. --

Re: RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26138] RE: Re: Re: Cuban cows I missed that part, probably since I was wandering about looking for a way to get my glasses fixed. Jim Devine

Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: I don't know whether Lysenko's reputation revolved around quick, technical solutions. I was under the impression that he was infamous for quackery under pressure from Stalin. Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins Lewontin, _The Dialectical Biologist_. They

Re: Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
Lou, you've referred off and on to Levins Lewontin, _The Dialectical Biologist_. They don't treat Lysenko at all like this. See Chapter 7, The Problem of Lysenkoism. There were many elements involved, and it was no matter of mere quackery. Carrol Yes, of course. There is another side to

Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
Fidel Castro is pushing his scientists to clone milking-cows, with the goal being to replicate a famously productive, and now deceased, Cuban bovine beast. . . . The idea, according to the paper, was to provide families with miniature milk-cows that they could keep in their apartments. The

RE: Re: Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Devine, James
LP: Yes, of course. There is another side to Lysenko. In fact Stephen Jay Gould treats him with considerable respect in one of his essays although I can't remember the technical details. if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko himself, who was simply updating

Re: RE: Re: Levins Lewontin on Lysenko, was Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Louis Proyect
if early-onset Alzheimer's hasn't kicked in yet, the problem was not Lysenko himself, who was simply updating Lamarck in a period when the alternative Darwin-Mendel theory hadn't completely taken hold, even in the U.S. The problem was that Lysenko's theory became The Party Line, a line which had

Re: Re: Cuban cows

2002-05-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Cuba is at the forefront of pharmaceutical research, from what I can gather, especially considering that it is a small, poor country. I assume that they are also working with genetic engineering and cloning as well. I would appreciate learning more about this. Cuba has been especially