Re: Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-27 Thread Michael Pugliese
OTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: [PEN-L:10900] Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation > At 10:38 AM 4/27/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>William F. Buckley Jr. says, "The trouble with the emphasis in > >>conservatism on the mark

Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-27 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:38 AM 4/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >>William F. Buckley Jr. says, "The trouble with the emphasis in >>conservatism on the market is that it becomes rather boring. You hear it >>once, you master the idea. The notion of devoting your life to it is >>horrifying if only because it's so repetitio

Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-27 Thread Michael Pugliese
nickname during Reagan admin. was "Prince of Darkness." Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:38 AM Subject: [PEN-L:10894] Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation >

Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Pugliese wrote: >http://www.linguafranca.com/print/0101/cover_cons.html >Cover story on Luttwak and John Gray. I had the author of the piece, Corey Robin, and Luttwak on the radio when the issue came out, and Luttwak was emphatic that he was never a "conservative." He sees himself as a

Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-27 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.linguafranca.com/print/0101/cover_cons.html Cover story on Luttwak and John Gray. www.wildrockies.org/buffalo See pg. 15 of the Global Warming issue of In These Times for a short write up on this "Buffalo Field Campaign' Org. in Montana. www.inthesetimes.com The April 30th issue, also s

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2001-04-24 Thread Ken Hanly
one of the questions often asked is: What happens if the barns are shutdown? Who foots the bill to clean up the mess etc.? Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: [PEN-L:10680] Re: Re: Re

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2001-04-24 Thread phillp2
Ken, I explicitly said beef packing plants and kill operations. The Brandon plant and Neepawa are hog operations, no? Paul From: "Ken Hanly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[PEN-L:10608] Re: Re

Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-23 Thread Michael Pollak
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Tim Bousquet wrote: > Is [Great Plains Depopulation], as Michael says, simply reflective of > meat products being imported from the rain forests? Is there any > literature on this? I'd also like know more about rain forest ranching. Edward Luttwak wrote an article recently

Re: Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-23 Thread Ken Hanly
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [PEN-L:10599] Re: Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation > Paul's discussion of the capital intensity of meat production was > excellent. He noted the importance of pork. I don't know if Canada is > producing pork in US-style factories,

Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-23 Thread Andrew Hagen
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:24:06 -0500, Ken Hanly wrote: >I am sure people >in Bismarck North Dakota, Pierre S.D., Regina Sask. etc. would find it odd >that the article concludes that the Great Plains are not permanently >habitable by humans! As would I, a native of Fargo, North Dakota. The Great

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2001-04-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Paul's discussion of the capital intensity of meat production was excellent. He noted the importance of pork. I don't know if Canada is producing pork in US-style factories, but these monstrosities require very little labor. Neither does the prarie grain production -- the descendants of the gre

Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-23 Thread phillp2
:47:50 -0700 From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[PEN-L:10543] Re: Great Plains Depopulation To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cattle ranching is not doing too well. Not only the import

Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-23 Thread Louis Proyect
>There are a number of factors influencing the depopulation of the plains. >Even during early settlement there was a lot of land that was cultivated >that was not really suitable for cultivation and farmers gave up. Other >areas were productive in wet years and farmers made money during some years

Re: Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-22 Thread Tim Bousquet
--- Ken Hanly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a number of factors influencing the > depopulation of the plains. > Even during early settlement there was a lot of land > that was cultivated > that was not really suitable for cultivation and > farmers gave up. Other > areas were productive i

Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-22 Thread Ken Hanly
There are a number of factors influencing the depopulation of the plains. Even during early settlement there was a lot of land that was cultivated that was not really suitable for cultivation and farmers gave up. Other areas were productive in wet years and farmers made money during some years but

Re: Great Plains Depopulation

2001-04-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Cattle ranching is not doing too well. Not only the imports of meat from the rain forests, but meat processing industry is increasing centralized. More important: People can earn higher salaries in the cities. You can find a few high rent locations -- Jackson Hole, where Ian hangs out. A fe