Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Mathew Forstater
Interesting, because Krader's work on nomadic pastoralists is also excellent. -Original Message- From: Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: [PEN-L:17694] Re: Re: Marx's materialism And I must forceably put

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Ted Winslow
Carrol Cox wrote: I consider Ted's ideas on psychology not so much wrong as not worth discussing. I wonder if we can find a common ground which will enable us to state our disagreements. I could perceive no common ground in his post on Freud/Klein etc. "We murder to dissect." "when your

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Mathew Forstater
My message was narrower in focus than Marx's method and dialectical materialism, etc., focusing rather on the Whitehead-Marx connection and related programs. On a more general note, it has been a long time since I looked at it, but I remember liking: Sayer, Derek, _Marx's method : ideology,

Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Ted Winslow
Rod Hay wrote: Second, it not an unusual position in twentieth century social science to admit the dialectic between matter and idea. There are those who occassionally go overboard (strict structuralists, sociobiologists, etc.) but Carrol is right, very few deny the relationship. The task is

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Rod Hay
No point in continuing this line of discussion. We don't disagree. In a short post it is impossible to even mention all aspects of the dialectic. Interdependence is one aspect. Wholism is another. From those two internal relations can be derived. The question between materialism and idealism is

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Mathew Forstater
Louis: This is the first attempt I've seen on or off the Internet to make an amalgam between Marx and Whitehead Russell Kleinbach, 1982, _Marx Via Process: Whitehead's Potential Contribution to Marxian Social Theory_, D.C.: University Press of America. Also, not Whitehead, but what I consider

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Louis Proyect
It's scary- I'm getting old enough to make going back to my dissertation bibliography nostalgic. Louis- wasn't this what you were also doing once at the Graduate Faculty of the New School?? Naw. Staying out of the war in Vietnam was more like it. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list:

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Rod Hay
And I must forceably put forward the work of Lawrence Krader. The Dialectics of Civil Society Treatise of Social Labor as the most significant outline of Marxist materialism in the second half of the twentieth century. Rod Mathew Forstater wrote: Louis: This is the first attempt I've seen

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Ted Winslow wrote: To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slightest ideas what this post is about because (a) I don't know who said

Re: Marx's materialism (fwd)

2000-04-02 Thread md7148
-L:17644] Re: Marx's materialism Ted Winslow wrote: To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slightest ideas what this pos

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Rod Hay
I would add that to discuss Marx's materialism, one would have to take into account the twentieth century contributions to the understanding of 'matter' and 'energy' Second, it not an unusual position in twentieth century social science to admit the dialectic between matter and idea. There are

Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:05 PM 04/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: I would add that to discuss Marx's materialism, one would have to take into account the twentieth century contributions to the understanding of 'matter' and 'energy' Second, it not an unusual position in twentieth century social science to admit the