RE: Re: RE: Re: : RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-24 Thread Devine, James
Gene says:  > I've said about all I can say -- I think our disagreement comes down to this:  I think it is a mistake to give any ground, any voice at all, to neo-classical micro. <   I don't believe in compromising with NC economics. But I don't think that some theories that are identified

Re: RE: Re: : RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-24 Thread Eugene Coyle
Jim,     I've said about all I can say -- I think our disagreement comes down to this:  I think it is a mistake to give any ground, any voice at all, to neo-classical micro.  If I am not misinterpreting you, you think that after beginning with neo-classical a critique can be crafted that will put

Re: Re: Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-24 Thread Eugene Coyle
Robert, Thanks for being so gracious in your reply to my not so gracious post. And, yes, do send me your article -- off list probably is better -- by reducing the volume for others. The framework for keeping track of assumptions sounds useful. There was a good 10 page summary of the Cam

RE: Re: : RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-24 Thread Devine, James
> Jim asked how I would teach, instead of neo-classical micro. > > I've asserted that neo-classical is a story. A story, propaganda, > designed and intended to subjagate. right, though I don't think it was "designed" as much as happened: a bunch of folks really like the calculus and other math

Re: Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-24 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
At 16:44 23/05/02 -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote: >Robert, I haven't read your article but will make an effort to find it. A better article might be the one I did for the Pennsylvania Economic Association, which I can send you via attachment: "Political and Social Economics: A Framework and Some Exa

RE: Re: : RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-22 Thread Devine, James
>And how are you (me, us) going to get an alternative theory if we keep honoring neoclassical models? < so what's your alternative? JD

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-22 Thread Devine, James
Eugene writes: > I think your answer points up how serious the problem is. > Sounds like you (me, everybody) don't have a framework. > > I draw the inference from your post -- apologies if this > is incorrect -- that you are saying, "Well, you don't have a framework to > start with,

Re: RE: Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-22 Thread Eugene Coyle
"Devine, James" wrote: > Eugene Coyle writes: > > The problem is much worse than lying economists. Economists believe what > they say.< > > right. > > >Would a biology or other science teacher start with teaching Creationism > and then critiquing it around the edges by pointing out some counte

RE: Re: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-22 Thread Devine, James
Eugene Coyle writes: > The problem is much worse than lying economists. Economists believe what they say.< right. >Would a biology or other science teacher start with teaching Creationism and then critiquing it around the edges by pointing out some counter evidence? It seems to me that anyone

Re: Re: RE: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "michael perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: [PEN-L:26168] Re: RE: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics > I might have added Phil Mirowski as an excellent writer, altho

Re: RE: RE: Lies, damned lies, and economics

2002-05-21 Thread michael perelman
I might have added Phil Mirowski as an excellent writer, although he does not usually write for an popular audience. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]