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Barkley- All very interesting. I know of Bordieu, but I admit I tried to
start
reading some of his stuff a few times and just
e presumably the justification for seniority pay scales.
Barkley Rosser
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Mat,
I have res
Well I just object to what seemed outrageous abstract academic term
slinging. I dont think it adds anything to a discussion, except to reflect
the conspicuous production of signs significant only to some elite
fraternity. This is not to say that abstractions and special terms cannot be
useful.
If
Partly the reason for the jargon is that I do not
think I am being original in saying what I am saying,
and I think that some of your interpretation is better
put in some respects. The thing is, I find it odd that
the term social is arguable under capitalism. Maybe
the next discussion will deal
is the usefulness of the term here?
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Speaking of the evolution of terms, the word
capital
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Formalist anthropologists like Schneider often note this derivation in
arguing that cattle are 'wealth' in pastoralist communities like the
Maasai.
However, the only term in Maasai langu
At 01:30 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
With regard to Putnam, who likes bowling leagues,
bridge clubs, choral societies, and the like, I once heard him
give a talk in which he declared that there is a better than 90%
correlation between the level of memberships in choral societies
in the 1870s in
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 01:30 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
With regard to Putnam, who likes bowling leagues,
bridge clubs, choral societies, an
.c." and
maybe correlated with broader social problems if they have
conflicts with other groups, e.g. African Americans in Brooklyn.
Barkley Rosser
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although i participate in pen-l, i am also on another email list of which i am
the only member. at first i didn't feel that comfortable with it, but the
conversation is generally congenial and flaming has been kept to a minimum
(although i can get snippy at times). at one time i considered
Hmmm and peccatum in Latin means sinIs there a connection :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Speaking
Jim,
So, you prefer "salience" to "social capital"?
Barkley Rosser
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Mat,
But, if my recommending you to be published
occurs in response to your having previously recommended
that I be published, then this may be the payoff of a social
reciprocity relation, certainly a cashing in of social capital in
the Bourdieu sense, if not in the Loury/Coleman/Putnam
Speaking of the evolution of terms, the word
capital itself originally meant a head of cattle in Latin.
A pecus was just one cow, from which we get the
word pecuniary, also Latin. I understand that the word
fee is from faihu, Old German for a head of cattle.
Barkley Rosser
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At 03:05 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Doug wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
isn't this what Clinton called "triangulation," using the other major
party's rhetoric and programs to justify one's own programs? And should
the Dem/GOP overlap be surprising, given how similar the two parties are?
At 01:43 PM 2/13/01
Mat,
Actually among the very first users of the term
"social capital" was a very non-formalist anthropologist,
Pierre Bourdieu, in his _Outline of a Theory of Practice_,
English translation, 1977, original French version, 1972.
His usage was somewhat different from the current
Putnam et al
some 'new'
institutionalist stuff)?
Let's start there.
Mat
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Mat,
Actually among the very f
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Barkley- All very interesting. I know of Bordieu, but I admit I tried to
start
reading some of his stuff a few times and just couldn't get into it. Either
I
. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mat,
On the grounds of the questions you ask, I
think you would not be unhappy with (most) of
the social capital
At 08:45 PM 02/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Mat,
Actually we may be about to see a bunch
of economists trying to pigeonhole this idea
into more standard contexts. Expect game
theory (evolution of cooperation). Expect
minimizing transactions costs in new institutional
contexts. I have no
Michael Perelman wrote:
Once you leave the realm of Adam Smith's beaver and deer, everything gets
fuzzy. I mentioned goodwill as another example. While a piece of
software used as capital may resemble a machine more than Mickey Mouse, on
the accountant's books such distinctions can
At 02:07 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote:
I should make clear, if my earlier post did not, that my problem is with the
word "capital." Capital is very important to the study of capitalism (duh) and
we can't just go throwing it around all over.
Assassinating Bourdieu would be the quickest end. I
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