Re: RE: RE: Marx and Nature

2000-09-26 Thread Michael Perelman
I am remembering this correctly, what is wrong with what I > wrote previously? > > Andrew Austin > Green Bay, WI > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Su

Re: Re: RE: Marx and Nature

2000-09-26 Thread Jim Devine
[By mistake, Michael P. sent the answer to Andrew's question to me rather than to the list as a whole. ] > >"Austin, Andrew" wrote: > > > > > Didn't Marx argue that labor-power was the measure of exchange-value? > > > > > > Andrew Austin > > > Green Bay, WI Michael Perelman wrote: >Here i

Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Ken Hanly
Ignoring the typos, it seems to me that you claim both that Marx is not interested in notions of entitlement and that insofar as Marxism has an ethical basis it is that communism will give workers that to which they are entitled. So even though Marx has no interest in entitlement the ethical basis

RE: RE: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Austin, Andrew
rew Austin Green Bay, WI -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Marx and Nature No, he did not. Although he did not elaborate on the reasons until the 3rd volume. "Austin

Re: RE: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Michael Perelman
No, he did not. Although he did not elaborate on the reasons until the 3rd volume. "Austin, Andrew" wrote: > Didn't Marx argue that labor-power was the measure of exchange-value? > > Andrew Austin > Green Bay, WI -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Max Sawicky wrote: > What was remarkable -- and > what Ollman himself remarked on in some of the responses to his > presentation, was the reductivist view of class and class interests implicit > in many of the questions directed to him. Carrol > > Interesting. Examples? I have a terrible me

RE: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . Ollman provided the clearest exposition that I have ever encountered -- clearer and more forceful than anything in Marx himself, Engels, Lenin, or Luxemburg -- of the rationale for marxism's emphasis on class as the primary analytic and political category. What was remarkable -- and what Oll

Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Michael Perelman
I should have mention Foster's book. It is excellent. Yes, he does make his case convincingly, but not quite the way that Nathan expressed it. It was not so much Stalin purging that part of Marx, but a general ignorance of the materialist tradition in which Marx was working. John goes into gre

Re: Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > Nathan Newman wrote: [snip] > > > How did Joel Kovel react, if at all? Neither Ollman nor Kovel reacted to this part of Foster's argument. More interesting, actually, was Foster's point of departure: his general emphasis on Marx's debt to Epicurus. While listening, I foun

Re: Re: Marx and Nature

2000-09-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Nathan Newman wrote: >At the Marxism conference, I went to the Marx and Ecology panel where John >Bellamy Foster, Joel Kovel and Bertall Ollman discussed the issue. John >Foster made the rather strong claim that Marx actually has a deep, >well-detailed ecological component to his thought, but th