Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
This is exactly on the mark imho Steve On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly > learned from Marx & Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research. > (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.) > > Orig

Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine wrote: World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical Marxism in 5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism Steve writes: I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the AM question actually...and of course Marxists like Brenner, Petras,..have cr

Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-12 Thread Ken Hanly
Well I guess I was wrong. I just did not see much that was Marxist in the original post I commented upon. Your further posts make it clear that he certainly uses a number of Marxian ideas whether he is a Marxist or not. By the way, why should it not be useful to extend the concept of social class

Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
On 13 Jul 00, at 11:19, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: most notably the thesis that the formation of > > > a Eurocentric world market in the sixteenth century was the single most > > > important condition for the emergence of capitalist production in Western > > > Europe, England included, in the fo

Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad De Long wrote: >If I understand IW's main criticism of Rostow, it was that Rostow >imagined countries "modernizing" and undergoing similar processes at >different times--but that the structure of the world system >prevented a "peripheral" country from becoming a "core" country >unless it

Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-13 Thread Rod Hay
Justin You will have to explain what you mean in more detail. What system provides incentives to respond to accurate information fast. In my way of seeing things, large corporations respond slowly and in an imperfect way to market signals. Those with more reserve resources can delay the respond fo

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > > I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly > > learned from Marx & Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his > research. > > (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.) > > > > Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxis

Re: Re: Re: Re:"The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
>Stephen E Philion wrote: > >Mine wrote: > > >World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical >Marxism in > > >5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism > > >Steve writes: > > >I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the >AM > > >question actually...a

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
>Ken Hanly wrote: > > By the way, why should it not be useful to extend the concept of > >social class beyond the capitalist system? > >Cheers, Ken Hanly > Ken, hi. Actually, it is very useful to extend the concept of social class beyond the "nation-state", which is what the world system peop

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Jim Devine
Brad wrote: >>From today's perspective, Rostow looks much better: Italy, France, and Japan have joined the core. Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, the Hong Kong SEZ, Spain, and Ireland are joining the core, and there appear to be a bunch more lined up behind them...<< Doug riposted: >That's a ra

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Brad De Long
>Brad De Long wrote: > >>If I understand IW's main criticism of Rostow, it was that Rostow >>imagined countries "modernizing" and undergoing similar processes >>at different times--but that the structure of the world system >>prevented a "peripheral" country from becoming a "core" country >>un

Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-13 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:04 AM 07/14/2000 -0400, you wrote: >What system provides incentives to respond to accurate information fast. >In my way of seeing things, large corporations respond slowly and in an >imperfect way to market signals. Those with more reserve resources can >delay the respond for a longer per

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Brad De Long
> >None of this is in Rostow's theory. His theory is worse than the >crudest of the crude Marxian stage theories. > >Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine I guess I should say something good about crude Marxian stage theories (which actually ain't that bad), and abo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad De Long wrote: >So if in a decade Mexico, Brazil, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech >Republic are in the position that SK and Taiwan are now, you will >conclude... what? That history has reversed itself? That 5 countries out of over 200 in the World Bank's World Development Indicators don't

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-14 Thread JKSCHW
As I dsaid, in the Schweickart model, investment is planned, so this wouldn't be a problem with socialist markets. In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:35:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << At 12:04 AM 07/14/2000 -0400, you wrote: >What system provides in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis"

2000-07-13 Thread Jim Devine
Brad DeLong wrote: >I guess I should say something good about crude Marxian stage theories >(which actually ain't that bad), and about GA Cohen and technological >determinism to boot... One key problems with the technological determinism that Marx flirted with in his early days (when he was mo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-14 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:43 PM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: >As I dsaid, in the Schweickart model, investment is planned, so this >wouldn't be a problem with socialist markets. if investment is planned, then the Hayek critique applies and the Schweickart model falls apart, right? or maybe the Hayek critique isn't as

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-14 Thread JKSCHW
I have long troubled over investment planning. It is a weak point in Schweickart's theory from an efficiency point of view. I think we may have to suffer those inefficiencies for equity reasons. Without denocratic control of new investment, it is hard to see how you have socialism at all. But t