Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Since politics is about what people think, to a great extent at least, the fact that the movement(s) coalescing behind Nader have improved definition -- as a collectivity -- means the left is progressing. The low Nader vote is not a great help in this vein, but it does not detract from the

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Max Sawicky
I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership capacity. mbs I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies on the right" does not a large movement make when you

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Justin Schwartz
in the first place. From a purely selfish point of view, as well as from the point of view of effectiveness, there's nothing there for us, isn't that right? --jks From: Brad DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:4190] Re: Re: Re: Stop the name

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
I don't translate Gitlin to 'enemy.' It just means I expect less high-level guidance from him. He's welcome in my movement, just not in a leadership capacity. mbs I've thought Todd Gitlin was a dork for a long time. But "all enemies on the right" does not a large movement make when you start

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Michael Perelman wrote: The VP doesn't do that much, although people say that he was decisive welfare reform. Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? Brad DeLong The New York Times, August 1, 1996, Thursday, Late Edition - Final THE

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2000-11-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad DeLong wrote: I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? The person I first heard it from got it from Dick Morris' book, I think, but someone told me last night that Peter Edelman has been saying the same thing. Doug

Re: RE: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
who is he. Where did this appear? Lisa Ian Murray wrote: BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; do you think Rosa Parks was impressive or was that too, a one-shot prisoners dilemma type game? We won't go into, why, if N was so ultimately empty a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Wellstone? "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: Michael, I agree. But, who would have done better aside from Clinton himself? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2000-11-09 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Michael, Would be better than a lot. So might Russ Feingold. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4211] Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

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2000-11-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
MP who is he. Where did this appear? Lisa Ian Murray wrote: David Ellerman is tucked away working on firm governance issues in Eastern Europe for the WB. He also worked closely with Stiglitz when he was there. The quote comes from "Intellectual Trespassing as a Way of Life"

Re: RE: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; So in other words, you don't.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Brad DeLong
Every member of Clinton's cabinet, including Rubin, advised he veto the welfare bill. Only Gore Dick Morris urged him to sign it. Doug I've heard this a bunch of times. But what's the ultimate source? Brad DeLong Thanks... Brad DeLong

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Stop the name calling

2000-11-09 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
BDLYou think that Nader's 3% showing is impressive? ** I don't know; So in other words, you don't. ** Thank you God for collapsing the unpredictability of the future with your unsurpassable foreknowledge of 21st century political-economic history. I realize your