Carrol, look! please! I have been following the discussions with amazement here! "Eco-fascism" is a mistakenly directed ad hominem-- an unfortunate mischarecterization, to justify the eco-fascism of capitalism and the demands of the mainstream environmental movement. Association of socialist critique of capitalism with stalinism is a liberal sillines: the product of eco-centric mentality. It does not apply to any of the comrades here just because they have said capitalism is an unsustainable system. I find the repititive anology made by a poster on this list unfortunately absurd and sad! let's not use eco-fascism out of context here. we know who eco-fascists are.. thanks, Mine >simple to pose): at what standard of living (if conditions are even >moderately equalized) can 7 or 10 billion people live? Unless that >is reasonably high (and those who lose, if some do, can be reconciled >to that loss), then we are seemingly left with Jim Devine's eco-fascism >some "stalinist" equivalent. The question of how do we get from here >to there is as binding on those who are skeptical of the Proyect/Jones >theses as they are on Lou and Mark -- perhaps more binding.