norm wrote:
>i say that humans, like ALL animals, have a genetic endowment that limits
>how we behave.
I think it's silly to reject -- as some leftists do -- the fact that
there's a genetic determinant to the "nature of human nature." The genetic
basis of human nature, however, has a lot of roo
What I recall was a bill in Congress .
CB
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/05/00 01:00PM >>>
don't understand why this is a Constitutional crisis worthy of the High-9.
something in the Constitution that prevents co-ops?
maybe i need a legal lesson in "legal forms of business enterprise".
norm
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At 02:06 PM 12/5/00 -0800, you wrote:
>The huge Berkeley co-op went belly-up. They tried to expand too fast --
>acting corporate.
right. I was there for much of it (before the fall). They bought out a
small chain of grocery stores and instantly grew, which led to the Co-Op's
demise. There were
don't understand why this is a Constitutional crisis worthy of the High-9.
something in the Constitution that prevents co-ops?
maybe i need a legal lesson in "legal forms of business enterprise".
norm
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From: Jim Devine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December
Well, this list strikes me as rather insular. Louis talks about Co-ops in
the same breath with utopian socialism. On the prairies co-ops, credit
unions, etc. are all
around us. They are not failing. Part of the reason for the plethora of
co-ops is that there have been social democratic and/or popu
I don't doubt it. I was speaking from a
U.S. vantage point, where a coop in our
ocean of business firms and hierarchical
non-profits is more of a curiosity than
a political statement.
mbs
> Coops are not so dangerous that a lender
> would forego their business.\
>
> mbs
>
Max,
You should he
> Coops are not so dangerous that a lender
> would forego their business.\
>
> mbs
>
Max,
You should hear/see the venom hurled by private business
whenever the provincial government threatens to extend the same
small business subsidies to co-ops as it does to private
businesses. Quite nast
Like Ken, I belong to two credit unions and only one co-op (a
gasoline retail co-op that returns 5c a litre (approx 20 cents a US
gallon) to the membership. I also partially shop at an (aboriginal)
retail grocery, workers co-op and patronize, when I can, a worker
co-op courier service. By th
Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:[PEN-L:5523] Re: RE: Re: co-ops
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> Martin Brown wrote:
> >I don't have the sources at my fingertips, but there are several case
> >studies of successful utopian-socialists expe
>
>Didn't Borders Books get it's start in Ann Arbor?
>
>Ian
>
When I was in grad school, it was just the local bookstore. --jks
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> A purely acedotal story. There was a really fine coop bookstore
> in Ann Arbor
> when I was in grad school in the 80s. It had existed for 15+
> years and had
> never made a late payment. TRhen one day, the banks pulled its
> credit and it
> could not but books. The building was later leased by
>
>
>You forgot that worker-owners like surplus value.
>As to (1) and (2), I don't see why either should
>follow. Coops are not so dangerous that a lender
>would forego their business.\
>
Indeed, if the usual studies are correct, co-ops are as efficient or more so
than capitalist enterprise, a
Thanks. If you have specific cites, I'd appreciate 'em. --jks
>
>Gary Dymski has done a lot on this. . . . and
>others (at one point or another) associated with UMass-Amherst Economics
>have pointed to the refusal of banks to provide that financing.
At 08:15 PM 12/4/00 +, you wrote:
>Sources, Jim? Especially on the bank stuff. I know the growth stuff,
>though if you have something I'd like to read it. --jks
>
>>>if co-ops can successfully give people what they want at a price that
>>>excludes "surplus value", then why haven't they become
Martin Brown wrote:
>I don't have the sources at my fingertips, but there are several case
>studies of successful utopian-socialists experiments in California that were
>actively suppressed, using legal and extra-legal means, by what can only be
>described as agents of Capitalist interest, when th
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