Re: Re: Re: Re: waterfalls and value

2000-06-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, you are perfectly correct if you want to do economics as an abstract formalism. You could have a waterfall theory of value or a oil theory of value, but Marx began from the standpoint that the economy was a human construction. Brad De Long wrote: > >Not quite, Jason. The waterfall does n

Re: Re: Re: waterfalls and value

2000-06-13 Thread Brad De Long
>Not quite, Jason. The waterfall does not create value on its own. It only >amplies the productivity of labor. > Why not say that labor does not create value on its own--it only amplifies the productivity of the waterfall? That's the way the Physiocrats went, and one makes as much (or, rather

Re: Re: Re: Re: waterfalls and value

2000-06-12 Thread Jim Devine
Thanks, for this post, Rod. But (as usual) I have a few quibbles Rod Hay wrote: >Both labour and nature can produce things of value. I don't know about this use of an active verb ("produce") as applied to nature. In Marx, at least, production involves prior consciousness of what is to be p

Re: Re: Re: Re: waterfalls and value

2000-06-12 Thread JKSCHW
Thanks, Rod, that's what I thought. --jks In a message dated Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:54:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rod Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Both labour and nature can produce things of value. But it is society that gives a value to things. It assigns a value to things appropriated f

Re: Re: Re: waterfalls and value

2000-06-11 Thread Rod Hay
Both labour and nature can produce things of value. But it is society that gives a value to things. It assigns a value to things appropriated from nature and to transformations made to those things by labour. Marx claims that the value of a thing will be proportional to the labour socially necess