Re: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Tim Bousquet
How do you "take care of" the Gobi Desert? tim --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can't tame rivers, but you can take care of the > land on the hillsides > to reduce siltation. > > Ricardo Duchesne wrote: > > > I have come to the conclusion that China's > hydraulic lock-in an

RE: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Mark Jones
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > You've already answered your question yourself. What's missing is > capitalists compelled to M-C-M'. This explains nothing in history. It's simply metaphysics. Mark Jones

Re: Re: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Michael Perelman
Reforestation can actually reduce the size of deserts over time. On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 02:37:47PM -0700, Tim Bousquet wrote: > How do you "take care of" the Gobi Desert? > > tim > --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You can't tame rivers, but you can take care of the > > land

Re: RE: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark, Now you're telling us that Yoshie is a big fan of Zizek? Interesting... Steve On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote: > Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > > > Unless you explain the process that creates capitalists driven to > > M-C-M', sure. > > I gave my version, at length: You have to look at

Re: Re: Re: Re: Yellow River: Facts on File

2001-06-27 Thread Tim Bousquet
Yes, but doesn't the high-silt content of the river date back several thousand years at least? Isn't it pretty much the prehistoric, natural state of the river? --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reforestation can actually reduce the size of > deserts over time. > > On Wed, Jun 2

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2001-06-27 Thread Michael Perelman
You may know about this than I do, but the current would bring the silt down to the sea over time. If it just remained at the bottom of the river, there would be no problem. On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Tim Bousquet wrote: > Yes, but doesn't the high-silt content of the river > date

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2001-06-27 Thread Mark Jones
Michael Perelman: > > I don't understand how it would lead to salinization, but the E. Asian ag. > system was remarkably sustainable. Silting seems to be more related to > removing the forest cover. > >>What Happens when you Irrigate? Irrigation inevitably leads to the salinization of soils and