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and les says:
i wouldnt take ian seriously. making water from two gases (H and O) is
not so hard in the laboratory, fuel cells do it:
http://www.ectechnic.co.uk/BASICS.HTML
no planck scale nonsense.
the point though is the energy required to
In respect to oil there are some observations that
were made about the nineties, and these are:
World demand is increasing, with third world demand
increasing at 2 percent yearly.
Refineries are operating at 98 percent capacity, with
little new investments.
The ratio of new find to reserves was
It seems that my first message did not go through:
In respect to oil there are some observations that
were made about the nineties, and these are:
World demand is increasing, with third world demand
increasing at 2 percent.
Refineries are operating at 98 percent capacity, with
little new
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CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the
atmosphere
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into
the
atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people?
CB: Filter the steam ?
Oh, I see ( :)) . How'd the current hydrogen and oxygen atoms
that comprise water get together ?
CB
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The Ein Sof playing with 'it' 'self'.
In the beginning, God blew himself into a bazillion pieces in order
to have some friends. This may not be true, but it sounds good and is
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Now, if we
can only figure out what to do with the salt...
tim
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/images/swas/bigmelt.jpg
KEWL!!!
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast11jul_1.htm?list52322
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2001/07/11/nati
onal1701EDT0695.DTL
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From: Charles Brown [EMAIL
At 07:58 PM 07/09/2001 -1000, you wrote:
Here's another issue for possible consideration. Is the problem one of
oil shortages given the stubborness of US car companies to not design
autombiles that conserve greater amounts of gas? In fact, perhaps the
argument could be made that we have way more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM
Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the
extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water supplies
and other scarce resources.
(((
CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a scarce resource ?
Water is and is not renewable. Once it becomes contaminated, it can be
very expensive to reclaim.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the
extraction of fossil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM
Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the
extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water
supplies
and other scarce resources.
(((
CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a
scarce
Re: H20 The secret Knowledge of Water, by Craig Childs,
www.sasquatchBooks.com
From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 7/10/01 11:42:56 AM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM
Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming,
the
extraction of fossil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 02:42PM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM
Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the
extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water
supplies
and other scarce resources.
(((
CB: A helpful summary review, Michael.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 02:28PM
Water is and is not renewable. Once it becomes contaminated, it can be
very expensive to reclaim.
(
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
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Absolutely, the design of cars, the construction of housing, the location of
housing, and a multitude of other factors affect the rate of depletion.
I believe that the point that Mark is making is that even if we were to make
enormous improvements in such areas, even if we find a way to drive
(((
CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a
scarce resource ? I sure hope it's renewable.
=
unless you have a quantum computer that can synthesize H20 from a
bunch of probability amplitudes in mass quantities don't count on
it.
:-) :-)
Ian
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
=
What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the
atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people?
Ian
((
CB: Our use of H 0 doesn't break it down chemically like oil and
gas, yes ?
2
The amount of water on earth remains constant , no ?
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CB,
1]Yes, but the problem is undoing the chemical bonds of stuff that
attaches to it easily, yet costs a
Re: Design of Cars: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (at Ohio State University,
are you here today, Yoshie, Young Communist League chapter at
OSU!) on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, just said
that the East German cars were biodegradable! True? Michael Pugliese
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote:
Absolutely, the design of cars, the construction of housing, the location of
housing, and a multitude of other factors affect the rate of depletion.
I believe that the point that Mark is making is that even if we were to make
enormous
Charles said:
The amount of water on earth remains constant , no ?
http://www.sprl.umich.edu/GCL/Notes-1999-Winter/freshwater.html
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
the problem is to heat ALL that water up from 60 degrees F, say, to
some much higher temperature to make
((
CB: I didn't know about the chemically bonding contamination. How
much is contaminated ? Sounds like a small percentage .
How about taking a bunch of hydrogen and oxygen and combining it to
make new water ?
===
That's where the Star Trek technology comes in. You'd need a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 03:57PM
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote:
=
What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the
atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people?
CB: I didn't know about the chemically bonding contamination. How
much is contaminated ? Sounds like a small percentage .
How about taking a bunch of hydrogen and oxygen and combining it
to
make new water ?
===
That's where the Star Trek technology comes in. You'd need a quantum
While pollution of water supplies is an issue in some
locations, the real issue is building and maintaining
a distribution system. We're pretty much maxxed out in
CA, although there's some crazy proposals out there to
do things like double the size of Shasta Lake and
build an
Mark,
given all that you have said, your estimation of the difference between
people like yourself, moi, yoshie, or doug, it turns out is really not
that great after allfor better or worse...
Steve
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Mark Jones wrote:
Stephen E Philion wrote:
I'd be curious to know
to building democratic ...
www.ranknfile-ue.org/uelinksa.html
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:14955] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions
He was, if I am not mistaken, the main organizer
That's right, the bus riders' union page is
http://www.busridersunion.org/index.html
steve
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote:
He was, if I am not mistaken, the main organizer of the Los Angeles Bus
Riders Union -- an almost impossible task.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 11:45:46PM
My doubts were about whether he should be called the MAIN organizer.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:12:20PM -1000, Stephen E Philion wrote:
That's right, the bus riders' union page is
http://www.busridersunion.org/index.html
steve
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote:
He was, if I
Michael,
Here's another issue for possible consideration. Is the problem one of
oil shortages given the stubborness of US car companies to not design
autombiles that conserve greater amounts of gas? In fact, perhaps the
argument could be made that we have way more than enough petrochemicals,
but
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