Heh, I thought we penners we're gonna stop that! Herbert Hoover on the newish thread reminded me of William Appleman Williams heterodox p.o.v. on Hoover. Several useful pieces on the net, go to google punch in Willaim Appleman Williams Herbert Hoover and from the Libertoons you can read a spintech (originally on www.antiwar.com ) piece by Sam Konkin (who if memory serves Doug might have met in his Yale Party of the Right days long ago!) and Lou cut and paste from the Encyclopedia of the American Left by Edward Rice-Maximin who co-wrote a book on Williams with Paul Buhle. Michael Pugliese, of the non-existent formatting skills dept.!!! P.S. T h e B r o w n Cow jumped over the moon!