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Subject:[PEN-L:3374] Wallerstein & Post-Modernists (was Re: Wallerstein on
slavery and capitalism)
Mine:
>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
> > >The only thing that Wallerstein offers above, by way of
> > >"explanation," is that coerced or semi-coerced wage
Mine writes:
> > >The problem with Fogel & Engerman is the opposite of what Mine or
> > >Wallerstein says is their view.
>
>You don't get it. W argues that Fogel's analysis of slavery is
>_still_ inspired by
>neo-classical elements due to their exclusion of world economy from
>their analysis
>.
Exactly. My friend, Phil Levine, who also lost tenure because he spent too much
time teaching and teaching well, wrote a good critique of them. I don't recall the
book in which it appeared.
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> Fogel & Engerman claim that the
> American slaves, having internalized the "Pr
Anthony D'Costa wrote:
> This is functionalism at its best.
Could you explain?
Carrol
W argues that slavery is one of the "varieties of
economic roles for the peripheral areas of the world economy, which have
different modes of labor control (raw material cash crops based on slave
labor
for the US South contrasted with food cash cops based on small freeholds
in the
US--West)".
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Lou posted what Mine Aysen Doyran says is Wallerstein's criticism of
Fogel & Engerman as well as of Genovese:
>In the _Capitalist World Economy_, the section on "American Slavery and the
>Capitalist World Economy" (Inequalities of Class, Race and Ethnicity).
>Wallerstein discusses two major theo
In the _Capitalist World Economy_, the section on "American Slavery and the
Capitalist World Economy" (Inequalities of Class, Race and Ethnicity).
Wallerstein discusses two major theoretical frameworks of American black
slavery in depth.He criticizes both Fogel and Engerman's neo-classial
theory
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Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:18 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:11441] Re: Re: Re: slavery and capitalism
>"Pockets" of full-bore (industrial) capitalism? I would agree. But a mere
>pocket can easily be squelched. The Nothern
At 05:30 PM 9/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim,
> Well, such institutions as accounting and
>banking were introduced into England from
>Flanders and Northern Italy. They did not
>develop them autochthonically, although the
>Scottish banks were centers of considerable
>institutional evolution i
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Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 1:23 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:11418] Re: slavery and capitalism
>Concerning the question of whether or not "New" World slave owners were
>capitali
"Pockets" of full-bore (industrial) capitalism? I would agree. But a mere
pocket can easily be squelched. The Nothern Italian version, for example,
never quite made it. There's some sort of threshold effect (or rather, a
critical mass) needed for a full-scale capitalist explosion. I don't see
the
Concerning the question of whether or not "New" World slave owners were
capitalists during (say) the 19th century, I had answered unequivocally
"yes & no." Yes, they were in the sense that they were in a capitalist
social formation dominated by industrial capital in its core -- but no they
weren't
Brad De Long wrote:
>>I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
>>perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
>>Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
>>capitalism are pretty good...
I think that the reason why New World slaves' working cond
Paul Cockshott's message was very interesting. I know virtually nothing about
Classical slavery but North American slavery, IMHO, is a distinctly
non-capitalist mode of production which I feel BECAUSE OF ITS VERY SUCCESS
locked the south into a state of underdevelopment
I have deleted most of Pa
Paul Cockshott's message was very interesting. I know virtually nothing about
Classical slavery but North American slavery, IMHO, is a distinctly
non-capitalist mode of production which I feel BECAUSE OF ITS VERY SUCCESS
locked the south into a state of underdevelopment
I have deleted most of Pa
The points made by Paul Cockshott and Jim Devine, regarding
the differences between slavery and capitalism, are well
taken. Nontheless, I don't think it would be an oxymoron to
describe the system of the antebellum South as "slave
capitalism". This is because (a) there
The points made by Paul Cockshott and Jim Devine, regarding
the differences between slavery and capitalism, are well
taken. Nontheless, I don't think it would be an oxymoron to
describe the system of the antebellum South as "slave
capitalism". This is because (a) there
Slavery is a quite distinct mode of production from capitalism,
at least according to Marxist accounts. There is an alternative
school of historians whose prototype was Mommsen who held that
what Marx termed slave societies ( for instance the Roman
Republic and early empire ) were capitalist. The
It is interesting that the term "dismal science" appears in this comment
on economic thought and slavery. The term originated with Carlyle in
an essay attacking abolition in the new world and arguing for a reinstituted
paternalism in the old. J.S. Mill in his response to Carlyle
questioned who
It is interesting that the term "dismal science" appears in this comment
on economic thought and slavery. The term originated with Carlyle in
an essay attacking abolition in the new world and arguing for a reinstituted
paternalism in the old. J.S. Mill in his response to Carlyle
questioned who
there's two kinds of capitalism: capitalism in theory and capitalism in
practice. Capitalism as an idealized system (the former) abhors
slavery, as it did serfdom. Capitalism in practice goes for whatever's
profitable. Sometimes these two capitalisms are in conflict, sometimes
not. However, I
there's two kinds of capitalism: capitalism in theory and capitalism in
practice. Capitalism as an idealized system (the former) abhors
slavery, as it did serfdom. Capitalism in practice goes for whatever's
profitable. Sometimes these two capitalisms are in conflict, sometimes
not. However, I
>From the book _American Slavery, 1619-1877_ by Peter Kolchin (Professor
of History, University of Delaware):
The spread of capitalism, and the new "dismal science" of
economics that it spawned, contributed significantly to
the questioning of slavery. Slavery lacked a basic ingredie
>From the book _American Slavery, 1619-1877_ by Peter Kolchin (Professor
of History, University of Delaware):
The spread of capitalism, and the new "dismal science" of
economics that it spawned, contributed significantly to
the questioning of slavery. Slavery lacked a basic ingredie
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