Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again-!!??

2001-08-23 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 01:13PM >>> > > If , in fact, LTCM was not allowed to take the fall when its bet failed , then it did not take a risk initially. Risk means that a chance is taken of a negative outcome. If when the negative outcome arises, the "risktaker" is not required to suff

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again- !!??

2001-08-23 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > CB: If ex post it didn't take the risk, then it didn't take the > risk. The ex ante risk was an illusion. > === > No. That's too teleological and smacks of post hoc ergo prompter hoc > > > > CB: The philosophi

WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again- !!??

2001-08-23 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/01 04:17PM >>> > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/01 02:12PM >>> > > > (( > > > > CB: Since it was bailed out when it lost its bet, LTCM was taking > zero risk. It was the opposite of a high risk taker , yet it is > "rewarded" the most of all because it claim

Re: Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again- !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: [PEN-L:16184] Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again- !!?? > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/01

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again- !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/01 02:12PM >>> > (( > > CB: Since it was bailed out when it lost its bet, LTCM was taking zero risk. It was the opposite of a high risk taker , yet it is "rewarded" the most of all because it claims to take risk. > > ((( === Ex ante it took the risk.

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Ian Murray
> (( > > CB: Since it was bailed out when it lost its bet, LTCM was taking zero risk. It was the opposite of a high risk taker , yet it is "rewarded" the most of all because it claims to take risk. > > ((( === Ex ante it took the risk. Ex post, the risk was diffused. Socialism of

WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/01 04:00AM >>> Spinoza and Marx would love the above; if the CB can create $ ex nihilo and risk is ultimately going to be socialized then what is the justification for the allocation of the rewards to those who don't bear the risks because they can displace them o

Re: Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Steve Diamond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ian, > > Really, you can't back down now... you were the one who introduced the piece > by referring to "reconstruction", after all. = What? No playful provacativeness in the headers anymore? :

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Carrol Cox
Steve Diamond wrote: > > Re: > > Forget Locke? From Proprietor to Risk-Bearer in New Logics of Finance > > Bill Maurer.. > > [snip] Who is Bill Maurer? In what post from whom was he introduced? What is this post about? Carrol

Re: Re: Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-22 Thread Ian Murray
> At 21/08/01 21:41 -0700, Ian wrote: > > >He does go into how one > >material medium's relation to time--paper--affected the bundling of > >asset streams and how computer programs for bundling, unbundling and > >rebundling in the quest for the dream of liquidity and mar

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-21 Thread Steve Diamond
Ian, Really, you can't back down now... you were the one who introduced the piece by referring to "reconstruction", after all. In any case, let's look at what Maurer himself says: since he thinks finance "discourse" is not understandable on its own terms - "Securitization, thus, is not obvious

Re: Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-21 Thread Chris Burford
At 21/08/01 21:41 -0700, Ian wrote: >He does go into how one >material medium's relation to time--paper--affected the bundling of >asset streams and how computer programs for bundling, unbundling and >rebundling in the quest for the dream of liquidity and market clearing >

Re: WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Steve Diamond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: [PEN-L:16149] WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!?? > Re: > > Forget Locke? From Proprietor to Risk-

WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again - !!??

2001-08-21 Thread Steve Diamond
Re: Forget Locke? From Proprietor to Risk-Bearer in New Logics of Finance Bill Maurer.. God forbid that postmodernism should try to take on global finance. I don't know who this guy is, but he doesn't know a lot about the global capital markets. For example, "securitization" and "secu

WB/IMF reconstructing capitalism yet again

2001-08-21 Thread Ian Murray
Forget Locke? From Proprietor to Risk-Bearer in New Logics of Finance Bill Maurer Recent debates on globalization are frequently thin with details of the mechanisms that facilitate the flow of capital across borders. What on-the-ground, back-office practices constitute and expedite those flows?