Re: facts and values

1994-06-23 Thread Jim Devine
"Well Jim Devine has complicated things again. '2+2=4' is a very different kind of 'fact' (analytic in the Kanitian sense) thans is say the number of people who died in certain kinds of structures" It's my job to make things complicated. :-) My point was simply that I think we've been asking

Re: facts and values

1994-06-23 Thread GSKILLMAN
3 responses to Barkley's recent contribution to the ongoing "fact vs. value" discussion. 1) According to philosopher W.V.O. Quine (I forget the cite but I can retrieve it from home if anyone is interested), the "analytic vs. synthetic" distinction is even murkier than Barkley suggests. In te

facts and values

1994-06-23 Thread FAC_BROSSER
Well Jim Devine has complicated things again. "2+2=4" is a very different kind of "fact" (analytic in the Kanitian sense) thans is say the number of people who died in certain kinds of structures (call them camps) within certain time-space zones (those under "German control" during World War

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1994-06-20 Thread GSKILLMAN
Bill writes: > > what i have been leading up to is this: gil says i insulted him by saying he > was mainstream but still maintains the popperian line that testing is > achievable using objectified data. For what it's worth, this representation is doubly inaccurate.

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1994-06-19 Thread BILL MITCHELL
Dear Barkley i was surely not giving any credence to the denials - spare the thought. i have said that events can even be shared across value groups. but ultimately to go from an acknowledgment of what we choose to term events (without any certainty that anything exists i should add), to using t

facts and values e

1994-06-19 Thread FAC_BROSSER
Response to Bill Mitchell (34 lines): I agree that using neoclassical economics or not is=20 to a large degree a matter of "theology." This can be seen in that it is impossible to "falsify" the law of supply nand demand (Popperian criterion). Go ahead and=20 try. That does not mean, howeve

facts and values (several strands)

1994-06-18 Thread FAC_BROSSER
3 Points and strands, semi-long: 1) In response to Bruce M.'s request , here is an atte attemptted precis of my long message to Alan Isaac offnet (to which he gave me a long response; we are not too far apart at this point, although he may not concur with that assessment). There are two ca