Greetings Pen-'Ellers,
Well KGC's response was just fine. No need to pursue anything in my view,
however, I found some nuggets or tidbits of Telecom stuff here and there in
my notes so I'll pass it along assuming that it might find some interest for
KGC.
Tidbits about Telecoms from here and there
joanna bujes wrote:
>
> (I thought HTTP was big because it could get you through fire walls,
> but ravi, please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
no, you are quite right -- HTTP is/was used as a fallback transport for
various applications (such as audio/video streaming), even though it was
not well-suite
No, I mean "hackers". Obviously it's not a monolithic set of attitudes &
beliefs. There are obviously pockets of leftie hackers and geeks. But I
still stand by my claim that the dominant ideology is right libertarian. I'm
thinking of the Slashdot crowd, Eric Raymond and his hangers-on, and the
li
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:54:43AM -0400, ravi wrote:
> could you point me to some sources? i find it very surprising that
> technical people believe that changes to HTTP can be the sole cause of
> performance gains (especially given that caching, which indeed does, at
> great cost, distribute loa
ravi wrote:
>
>>
>>I mean that the dominant ideology among the geek set (well, large
>>chunks of it anyway, it's probably not more monolithic than any other
>> subculture) is strong right libertarian, especially on the issue of
>>where technology comes from. It's *not* a David Noble-friendly part
Kendall Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:16:51PM -0400, ravi wrote:
>
>>> But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works
>>> (in the sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no
>>> one really expected) because of various purely technological
>>> ideas...
>>
>> i
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:33:52PM -0700, Doyle Saylor wrote:
> Doyle,
> Couple of things, while for you the term moron is simply a label that
> indicates you think Shirky is not interesting, for me as a disability rights
> advocate I find the term anti-disabled. If you read Stephen Jay Gould's
>
Greetings Pen-L,
KGC writes,
Oops, but, but, Clay Shirky is a bit of a moron.
Doyle,
Couple of things, while for you the term moron is simply a label that
indicates you think Shirky is not interesting, for me as a disability rights
advocate I find the term anti-disabled. If you read Stephen Jay G
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:25:57PM -0400, ravi wrote:
> i posted this already, but i will repeat my question: could you explain
> further what you mean by the "web scales to 5b+ documents"? and who are
> the computer scientists who are surprised by this?
I've already explained it, so I won't do s
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:25:21PM -0400, Kendall Clark wrote:
>
> Kendall
> --
> Nobody said it was easy
> No one ever said it would be this hard
> Oh take me back to the start
> --Coldplay, The Scientist
...
Oops, my apologies for not trimming my .signature.
Kendall
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:20:11PM -0400, ravi wrote:
> Kendall Clark wrote:
> >
> > Yes, there are these tensions which pull in opposite directions; one of the
> > things I do as a weekly tech columnist is try to get it through the default
> > libertarian geek mind haze that capitalism, in fact, s
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:16:51PM -0400, ravi wrote:
> > But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the
> > sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really
> > expected) because of various purely technological ideas...
> >
>
> i could use some clarificat
Kendall Clark wrote:
> Huh? You really lost me here. My question was way simpler than that. The
> fact that the Web scales to 5B+ documents is a surprise to computer
> scientists. One of the prevailing explanations is that HTTP got smarter
> (basically, it became more cachable by intermediaries and
Kendall Clark wrote:
>
> Yes, there are these tensions which pull in opposite directions; one of the
> things I do as a weekly tech columnist is try to get it through the default
> libertarian geek mind haze that capitalism, in fact, sucks. :>
>
what does "default libertarian geek mind" mean? that
Doyle Saylor wrote:
> Greetings Pen-'Ellers,
> KGC writes,
> But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the
> sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really
> expected) because of various purely technological ideas...
>
i could use some clarification of
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 05:58:09PM -0700, Doyle Saylor wrote:
> Me,
> Clay Shirky writes about the economics of what makes the web work. Has some
> theories about various ideas floating around about the IT industry that are
> a starting place to think about what works and doesn't work about Web
>
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM -0700, joanna bujes wrote:
> Computing, in general, cries out of standards and openness; capitalism
> depends upon private property, of which "intellectual" property is a
> part. So the development of computing is always pulled into these
> completely contradicto
Greetings Pen-'Ellers,
KGC writes,
But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the
sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really
expected) because of various purely technological ideas (most of which get
attributed, inaccurately, to Tim Berners-Lee). I wa
Web Services seems to be just another mechanism for decoupling that
allows independent change of implementation, and (supposedly) some
sort of dynamic lookup of implementation.
You might look at Creating the Computer: Government, Industry,
and High Technology by Kenneth Flamm, and also his Target
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003 at 13:35:03 (-0400) Kendall Grant Clark writes:
>Folks,
>
>I'm working on a technical book about a new way in which corporations are
>using the Web to achieve the holy grail, "enterprise application
>integration", using a new family of technologies called "Web
>Services"
Folks,
I'm working on a technical book about a new way in which corporations are
using the Web to achieve the holy grail, "enterprise application
integration", using a new family of technologies called "Web
Services". The book is targeted at working programmers, so it will mostly
be that sort of t
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