Re: Red Flags and Red Roses

2001-06-26 Thread LeoCasey
Jim Devine wrote: << checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) but not the red flag anthem. >> Michael Keaney wrote: << This change occurred under Neil Kinnock's leadership, c. 1985. T

red flags

2001-06-26 Thread Keaney Michael
Jim Devine wrote: checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) but not the red flag anthem. = This change occurred under Neil Kinnock's leadership, c. 1985. There was a minor stir at

Re: red flags

2001-06-22 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Margaret Coleman wrote: > > Good one, Gene, but I was refering to the nineteenth century >labor song "Bread and >> Roses." It was the hook of a song sung by laboring women who said they were >> fighting not just for bread, but for roses too--as in more than >>basic subsistence. > > If I co

Re: red flags

2001-06-22 Thread Carrol Cox
Margaret Coleman wrote: > > Good one, Gene, but I was refering to the nineteenth century labor song "Bread and > Roses." It was the hook of a song sung by laboring women who said they were > fighting not just for bread, but for roses too--as in more than basic subsistence. > If I could remembe

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-22 Thread Margaret Coleman
Good one, Gene, but I was refering to the nineteenth century labor song "Bread and Roses." It was the hook of a song sung by laboring women who said they were fighting not just for bread, but for roses too--as in more than basic subsistence. If I could remember all the lyrics, I would put them do

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-22 Thread Eugene Coyle
War of the Roses again? I'm betting on York. Gene Coyle Margaret Coleman wrote: > Bread and Roses?? maggie > > Jim Devine wrote: > > > checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped > > the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Margaret Coleman
Bread and Roses?? maggie Jim Devine wrote: > checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped > the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) > but not the red flag anthem. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jde

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
checking out the British Labour Party on the web, they seem to have dropped the red flag as their symbol (replacing it with a red rose -- with thorns?) but not the red flag anthem. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
t; Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: [PEN-L:13787] Re: Re: Re: red flags > No, and the Russians haven't taken Lenin's tomb out of Red Square, either. > --jks > > > > >At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Co

Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: [PEN-L:13786] Re: Re: red flags > At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: > >BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Communist Party's] daily newsp

Re: Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Justin Schwartz
No, and the Russians haven't taken Lenin's tomb out of Red Square, either. --jks > >At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >>BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Communist Party's] daily newspaper is still >>called Akahata [Red Flag], even though it ceased to be revolutionary a >>long time ago > >has the Bri

Re: Re: red flags

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:36 PM 6/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >BTW, the JCP's [Japanese Communist Party's] daily newspaper is still >called Akahata [Red Flag], even though it ceased to be revolutionary a >long time ago has the British Labour Party dropped its "red flag" anthem? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://

Re: red flags & reformism

2001-06-21 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim says: >[was: Re: [PEN-L:13751] Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)] > >Justin writes: >>You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the >>language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be >>a socialist. In

red flags & reformism

2001-06-21 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:13751] Re: Re: Angel of History (was Re: Geras vs Laclau)] Justin writes: >You don't have to call yourself a Marxist, wave red flags, talk the >language of early 20th century Russian political organizing, to be a >socialist. In fact, it's probably best no