Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-04 Thread Margaret Coleman
Carrol Cox says, amongst other things, Political practice, not theoretical definitions, will carve out those workers who count and those who don't. This is a whole other discussion -- as you know from years of practice yourself! maggie Carrol Cox wrote: Margaret Coleman wrote: Hi Jim and

Re: RE: who's in the working class?

2001-06-03 Thread Margaret Coleman
I too have an unpublished manuscript -- I call it a novel. maggie coleman Max Sawicky wrote: Awhile back, Mad Max Sawicky suggested a way to define the working class. By bizarre coincidence -- since we _never_ agree on anything -- it roughly coincided with my own workable definition. Of

Re: Re: Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-03 Thread Margaret Coleman
Hi Jim and max (mad or not), I agree with this formula as far as it goes, but I think this is a little too vague. Not having to work means one thing if you own a modest home, put your kids in public school, pay taxes, drive a moderately priced vehicle, etc. The thing is, most people who

Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-03 Thread Margaret Coleman
Jim, I see there is more to your definition than I responded to in the earlier message One problem I have with defining working class is the median income you mention as a measure. Alot of union workers, especially blue collar skilled workers, make a whole lot more than median income. The

Re: Re: Re: Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-03 Thread Carrol Cox
Margaret Coleman wrote: Hi Jim and max (mad or not), I agree with this formula as far as it goes, but I think this is a little too vague. Not having to work means one thing if you own a modest home, put your kids in public school, pay taxes, drive a moderately priced vehicle, etc.

Re: Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-03 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:48 PM 06/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: Jim, I see there is more to your definition than I responded to in the earlier message One problem I have with defining working class is the median income you mention as a measure. Alot of union workers, especially blue collar skilled workers,

RE: who's in the working class?

2001-06-02 Thread Max Sawicky
Awhile back, Mad Max Sawicky suggested a way to define the working class. By bizarre coincidence -- since we _never_ agree on anything -- it roughly coincided with my own workable definition. Of course, I look at it from the opposite direction, looking at the capitalist class. In one of my many

Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: to be a capitalist, one requires at a minimum enough income-producing property to allow leisure for the rest of one's life, long before retirement, while actually adding to one's wealth. A minor correction. Instead of for the rest of one's life I would suggest for

Re: Re: who's in the working class?

2001-06-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:32 AM 06/02/2001 -0500, you wrote: Jim Devine wrote: to be a capitalist, one requires at a minimum enough income-producing property to allow leisure for the rest of one's life, long before retirement, while actually adding to one's wealth. A minor correction. Instead of for the

who's in the working class?

2001-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
Awhile back, Mad Max Sawicky suggested a way to define the working class. By bizarre coincidence -- since we _never_ agree on anything -- it roughly coincided with my own workable definition. Of course, I look at it from the opposite direction, looking at the capitalist class. In one of my many