Re: [PEN-L] feminism

Like that wonderful scene in Erik the Viking as the king leads a chorus while Hi-Brazil sinks. >Excepting careerism, familyism, etc. > >All the basic elements of good ol' American dipshittery are nothing but >unacknowledged "isms," including the knee-jerk reliance on politicians to >decide what c

Re: [PEN-L] China Drafts Law to Boost Unions and End Labor Abuse

The interesting thing about this effort at stricter unionization in China is the opposition by American corporations. At 04:53 PM 10/14/2006, you wrote: October 13, 2006 China Drafts Law to Boost Unions and End Labor Abuse

[PEN-L] China's biggest billionaire is a woman

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1922819,00.html Thanks to Mao, Zhang Yin's a billionaire The revolutionary leader transformed women's lives, but China still has a long way to go Will Hutton Sunday October 15, 2006 The Observer It was one of China's proverbs that Mao loved to

[PEN-L] Harvard economist gets slap on the wrist for grand larceny

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2006/10/harvard_strips.html Friday, October 13, 2006 Harvard strips economist of title for violating ethics rules By Marcella Bombardieri. Globe Staff Star Harvard economist Andrei Shleifer has been stripped of his honorary university ti

[PEN-L] Sterilizing the manure

NY Times Magazine, October 15, 2006 The Way We Live Now The Vegetable-Industrial Complex By MICHAEL POLLAN Soon after the news broke last month that nearly 200 Americans in 26 states had been sickened by eating packaged spinach contaminated with E. coli, I received a rather coldblooded e-mail

[PEN-L] China's new left

NY Times Magazine, October 15, 2006 China’s New Leftist By PANKAJ MISHRA One day earlier this year I met Wang Hui at the Thinker’s Cafe near Tsinghua University in Bejing, where he teaches. A small, compact man with streaks of gray in his short hair and a pleasant face that always seems ready

Re: [PEN-L] feminism

On 10/14/06, Doyle Saylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Feminism, or other sorts of social rights appear in Capitalist states as an expression of inequality built into the state that is outside the overt operating wage structure in many ways. Women have largely failed to obtain jobs in the unioniz

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women

On 10/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Then of course a huge section of women were ousted from production in America after the Second Imperial World War, and the Women's movement would only later pick up more steam on the basic of the struggle of the African American people for

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law toBoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

On 10/14/06, Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > So, women are allowed to become heads of bad capitalist states and > parties but not of good socialist states and parties? The passive voice here perhaps helps identify what we need to locate. Who or what allows or does

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women

Much of what's said here about the socialization and cultural restraints on women and people are similar (though obviously far more intense and pervasive, particularly when it comes to taking a more prominent role) than what happens to working class white males. It was one of the strangest and mos

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law to BoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

On 10/14/06, michael a. lebowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > > Might be because, contrary to some essentialist feminist thinkers, > > > capitalism undermines patriarchy over the long term, by competing > > > away gender distinctions in

[PEN-L] The Crazy Logic of Immigration Policy

I didn't quite get why the US wants to build a fence on its southern borders. Now I understand. It's to protect Mexico. I learnt this from a recent Wall Street Journal editorial piece that explained that the obligation of the Chinese is to hurt North Korea by accepting waves of North Korean im

Re: [PEN-L] Sterilizing the manure

If you go down by Moss Landing California, South of Watsonville, you'll see [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the way inland to 101 (Dolan Rd.) with cattle pens situated within spitting distance of crops like lettuce, cabbage and Strawberries. All crops which suck at the water table like the godess's own sor

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women

On 10/15/06, Mark Lause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Strangely, the Left was as conscious of this divide as the wider society. Those "groomed" for promotion were almost invariably middle class and upper middle kids. In the days of Lenin, Mao, Ho, Mossadegh, Arbenz, Castro, etc., the gap in class

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership in the real world of America.

Leadership selection procedures of socialist and social democraticparties and states have seldom been very clear.  I'm afraid that themyth of egalitarianism works against women in formations on the Left.Leftists say we are all equal, masses are better than leaders, itdoesn't matter who the l

Re: [PEN-L] feminism

Greetings Economists, On Oct 15, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Doyle; Just a little comment here because Carrol raised Marlene Dixon. When I was in the group she led, and it was not founded by her but by nine lesbians whom she more or less removed as soon as she took over, or made h

[PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership [was: Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women]

Yoshie wrote: In the days of Lenin, Mao, Ho, Mossadegh, Arbenz, Castro, etc., the gap in class backgrounds between leaders and masses was enormous. Generally, the leaders came from petit-bourgeois families of doctors and lawyers, when a majority of the population were either illiterate or functio

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership

I'm usually suspicious of generalizations, and there's not enough evidence to persuade me that leadership on the Left was historically more middle class and is becoming more plebeian. In the US, the Sorges or DeLeons always relied on working class figures in secondary and tertiary roles, and I thi

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership--another paradox...

One of the arguments among historians has been the role of change from the bottom up. The problem is that those who deny this happens argue that working class people are silent and deferential. Therefore, when people cease to be silent and deferential--when they become leaders--they're not workin

[PEN-L] Michael Yates on teaching economics

All the Economics You Need to Know in One Lesson by Michael D. Yates Cheap Motels and a Hotplate CHEAP MOTELS AND A HOTPLATE: An Economist's Travelogue by Michael D. Yates ORDER THIS BOOK This essay complements my forthcoming book: Cheap Motels and a Hot Plate: an Economist's Travelogue (Monthly

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership [was: Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women]

On 10/15/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoshie wrote: > In the days of Lenin, Mao, Ho, Mossadegh, Arbenz, Castro, etc., the > gap in class backgrounds between leaders and masses was enormous. > Generally, the leaders came from petit-bourgeois families of doctors > and lawyers, when a m

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership

On 10/15/06, Mark Lause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm usually suspicious of generalizations, and there's not enough evidence to persuade me that leadership on the Left was historically more middle class and is becoming more plebeian. In the US, the Sorges or DeLeons always relied on working cla

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law to BoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

At 11:50 15/10/2006, Yoshie wrote: On 10/14/06, michael a. lebowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it might be more appropriate to say that capitalism has created conditions which have strengthened the struggle against patriarchy (which is, of course, not to be confused with the selection of

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership--another paradox...

On 10/15/06, Mark Lause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One of the arguments among historians has been the role of change from the bottom up. The problem is that those who deny this happens argue that working class people are silent and deferential. Therefore, when people cease to be silent and defe

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership [was: Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women]

I wrote: > I think it was Aristotle (or someone even earlier!) who pointed out a > paradox here. Middle- or upper-class leaders are less likely to be > corrupted than are those who rise to the top from the working and poor > classes. That's because middle- and upper-class types already have the >

Re: [PEN-L] The Crazy Logic of Immigration Policy

Michael Perelman wrote: I didn't quite get why the US wants to build a fence on its southern borders. Now I understand. It's to protect Mexico. . They didn't mention that it is a really a DHS slush fund and "maybe a fence"? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership [was: Socialism and Women's Leadership and black women]

On 10/15/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wrote: > > I think it was Aristotle (or someone even earlier!) who pointed out a > > paradox here. Middle- or upper-class leaders are less likely to be > > corrupted than are those who rise to the top from the working and poor > > classes. That

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership--another paradox...

On 10/15/06, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Term limits may help. So far, almost all socialist leaders whom revolution elevated to the highest office of their country have acted as the faqih for their respective nation, ruling for their lifetime. Yoshie <> and in at least

Re: [PEN-L] paradox of class and leadership [was: Socialism and Women'sLeadership and black women]

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > As for Pericles, wages for jurors, which allowed common men to serve > as jurors and thus participate in politics, was introduced by Pericles > (the rich did not need wages to participate in politics for they had > their own money and thus free time for politics), and

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law to BoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

Greetings Economists, In general care-giving work, strong ties of that sort limit the range of women's actions. One can of course if one is rich take the path of nannies, and assorted hired care givers to free oneself from that sort of obligation. There are chains in care giving based upon the e

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law toBoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

"michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > > Still, let's get back to your original question--- the > absence of women in the leadership of societies attempting to build > socialism. Was/is there something systemic that thwarts the emergence > of women as leaders in these? Actually, Yoshie's discus

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law toBoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

Doyle Saylor wrote: > > Greetings Economists, > In general care-giving work, strong ties of that sort limit the range > of women's actions. One can of course if one is rich take the path of > nannies, and assorted hired care givers to free oneself from that sort > of obligation. There are chains

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law toBoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

At 21:01 15/10/2006, Carrol wrote: "michael a. lebowitz" wrote: > > > Still, let's get back to your original question--- the > absence of women in the leadership of societies attempting to build > socialism. Was/is there something systemic that thwarts the emergence > of women as leaders

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law toBoostUnionsand End Labor Abuse)

Greetings Economists, On Oct 15, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: This may be so (that women "like" this or that), but it is a dangerous and possibly false premise to proceed on. Women are pushed into care-giving; there is no evidence that their liking for it accounts for the role. Doyle; O

[PEN-L] Edward Abbey's Ghost Says: Try this on your elected representative today...

What the politicians didn't know was that the "makeup artist," from a nonexistent satellite channel, had collected body cells during the preinterview brow wipe. The cells were secretly used to test the politicians for drugs. The results indicated that of the 50 tested, close to a third had in

Re: [PEN-L] Socialism and Women's Leadership (was China Drafts Law to BoostUnionsand ...

  >>The work world limits caring ties at the work place as a source ofcorruption.  Hence experience in one area leaves one bereft in another.This then limits how well women can build the mass base of support forsomething they cherish.  Care giving, or emotion building structure isnot addres