[PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
speaking of excessive energy costs, there was a story on US National Public Radio a week or so ago about the loss of fertility of African soils. The experts spoke, recommending aid to help Africans buy more (energy-intensive, import-intensive) artificial infertilizer. Whatever happened to rotating

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
It is worse than that. Many of Africa's soils are very fragile -- not like our own Midwest. That kind of farming is not sustainable, but the same goes for some of Brazil, which is doing so far more intensively. Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael at

[PEN-L] Subprime jumps the shark

2008-02-20 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I don't know if Shemano did the 'Subprime' power point thing, but it's all over the Internet and Wall Street now. http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/02/how-subprime-re.html#comments

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
I agree, but even fragile soils can be helped with old-fashioned techniques (though perhaps not healed). Part of the problem, of course, is that in many places the best lands were grabbed by the Europeans during colonization. On Feb 20, 2008 8:45 AM, Perelman, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It

Re: [PEN-L] Peak food

2008-02-20 Thread Michael Perelman
Agricultural populists have argued this way since the mid 1800s. For a brief moment they made common cause with the striking railroad workers, but for the most part the connection has not been made by urban workers. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 03:17:41AM -0800, soula avramidis wrote: this brings

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

2008-02-20 Thread Sandwichman
It should also be needless to say we will NEVER run out of oil. The whole peak business has to do with the technical capacity to extract *ever increasing quantities* of the product economically. Predictions of peak oil may be based on pessimistic assessments of the prospects of technical

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Phillips
This is not a problem restricted to Africa or peasant agriculture. The following is courtesy of Bill Totten on A-list. It's Disappearing by Tom Paulson The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (January 22 2008) The planet is getting skinned. While many worry about the potential consequences of

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
Not really. The peasants like the barren hillsides, which are much more interesting than the fertile plains. Jim wrote: I agree, but even fragile soils can be helped with old-fashioned techniques (though perhaps not healed). Part of the problem, of course, is that in many places the best lands

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Phillips
This is not a problem restricted to Africa or peasant agriculture. The following is courtesy of Bill Totten on A-list. It's Disappearing by Tom Paulson The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (January 22 2008) The planet is getting skinned. While many worry about the potential consequences of

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
me: I agree, but even fragile soils can be helped with old-fashioned techniques (though perhaps not healed). Part of the problem, of course, is that in many places the best lands were grabbed by the Europeans during colonization. Michael Perelman wrote: Not really. The peasants like the

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Sandwichman
They also like to travel far from their homes to go down into holes in the ground to dig for diamonds they can give to their European benefactors. On 2/20/08, Perelman, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. The peasants like the barren hillsides, which are much more interesting than the

[PEN-L] Scissors

2008-02-20 Thread Sandwichman
Greatly complicate may be an understatement. Consider the scenario where rising food and energy prices are contributing to the housing slump and economic stabilization measures are contributing to rising food and energy prices. The negative feedback from lower interest rates could cancel out the

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

2008-02-20 Thread ravi
On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Sandwichman wrote: It should also be needless to say we will NEVER run out of oil. The whole peak business has to do with the technical capacity to extract *ever increasing quantities* of the product economically. Predictions of peak oil may be based on pessimistic

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

2008-02-20 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Sandwichman wrote: It should also be needless to say we will NEVER run out of oil. The whole peak business has to do with the technical capacity to extract *ever increasing quantities* of the product economically. Predictions of peak oil may be based on

[PEN-L] S-man

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Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

2008-02-20 Thread ravi
On Feb 20, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Paul Phillips wrote: I don't think this is correct. Oil is an exhaustible (i.e. non-renewable) resource. Peak oil merely states that sooner or later we will not be able to sustain *the EXISTING level of production* never mind increasing quantities. Economically

Re: [PEN-L] Krugman: a peak oil believer?

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
Sandwichman (Tom) wrote: It should also be needless to say we will NEVER run out of oil. The whole peak business has to do with the technical capacity to extract *ever increasing quantities* of the product economically. In other words, it's a modern variant of the Ricardo/Malthus prediction of

Re: [PEN-L] Peak food

2008-02-20 Thread soula avramidis
I just like kalecki s equation. it shows in the typical classical sense that price markup and degree of monpoly ie profits lower proportionatly the real wage. moreover since prices are in the purview of capital workers can only raise their nominal thru union activity.

Re: [PEN-L] Peak food

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
soula avramidis wrote: ... moreover since prices are in the purview of capital workers can only raise their nominal thru union activity. Kalecki's equation is often interpreted as saying that all unions can do is raise money wages. Since the boss simply adds a mark-up to unit labor costs,

Re: [PEN-L] Subprime jumps the shark

2008-02-20 Thread David B. Shemano
Max Sawicky writes: I don't know if Shemano did the 'Subprime' power point thing, but it's all over the Internet and Wall Street now. http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/02/how-subprime-re.html#comments I am way to busy searching for free internet porn to have the time to create a

Re: [PEN-L] Subprime jumps the shark

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
here in Tinsel Town, jumping the shark means going bad. Supposedly, the phrase came about because in the show Happy Days (the one with the Fonz), one of the characters was water-skiing and literally jumped the shark. From then on, the show was (allegedly) not worth watching and it was soon

[PEN-L] Art as Commodity

2008-02-20 Thread Louis Proyect
My review of No Country for Old Men has generated a more general discussion about art and politics on my blog and on Stan Goff's Feral Scholar. Although the debate has been pretty polarized over the role of Cormac McCarthy in realizing some ideal about Great Literature, just about every

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

2008-02-20 Thread ken hanly
Neither Vietnam China nor Venezuela are socialist. Socialism involves the socialisation of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and production based on need not profit. None of those countries have achieved this. Both Vietnam and China have been moving away from such a

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
In Farming for Profit in a Hungry World (1977) I estimated that the US lost 20 lbs of soil for each lb. of food produced. I have been intending to read Montgomery's book. Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

2008-02-20 Thread ken hanly
As usual I am behind the times. I did not think that Eric was about to leave the list. Anyway his main use was to provide some information about the official line without ever engaging in any real discussion. Probably he does not think it worth while trying to convert the unconvertible. He can

Re: [PEN-L] China's Socialist Path

2008-02-20 Thread Shane Mage
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:12 PM, ken hanly wrote: Neither Vietnam China nor Venezuela are socialist. Socialism involves the socialisation of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and production based on need not profit. None of those countries have achieved this. Both Vietnam

[PEN-L] Fwd: After Bali; Climate Code Red; Towards a Defensible Climate Realism

2008-02-20 Thread Eugene Coyle
Begin forwarded message: From: Tom Athanasiou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 20, 2008 5:50:24 PM PST To: Gene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: After Bali; Climate Code Red; Towards a Defensible Climate Realism After Bali; Climate Code Red; Towards a Defensible Climate Realism In this