[PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-02-24 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Doug's comparison of American and European workers reminds me of one of the things that I have been thinking. Many American intellectuals on the Left think that Europe should be the model for America, but America is not very like Europe. (The only thing that America has in common with Europe is

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-02-28 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
So go for it. Describe the model for America. At 18:08 24/02/2007, you wrote: Doug's comparison of American and European workers reminds me of one of the things that I have been thinking. Many American intellectuals on the Left think that Europe should be the model for America, but America is n

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-02-28 Thread Gar Lipow
On 2/28/07, Robert Scott Gassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So go for it. Describe the model for America. I think that is unfair. Yoshie is at the beginning of a process. A fairer challenge would be to ask Yoshie to list a few things leftists should NOT do... In other words a good test of the

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-02-28 Thread Gassler Robert
I do not think it is unfair to ask someone to do this. How many decades has the left had to suggest even the outlines of an alternative? >On 2/28/07, Robert Scott Gassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So go for it. Describe the model for America. >> > >I think that is unfair. Yoshie is at the beg

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-03-01 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 1 mars 07, at 16:10, Gassler Robert wrote: I do not think it is unfair to ask someone to do this. How many decades has the left had to suggest even the outlines of an alternative? Why should there be a model for America ? Yoshie is only saying that Europe should not be thought as one. Is th

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-03-01 Thread Jim Devine
how about Charley Andrews' outline of a workers' republic economy in his FROM CAPITALISM TO SOCIALISM. On 3/1/07, Jean-Christophe Helary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1 mars 07, at 16:10, Gassler Robert wrote: > I do not think it is unfair to ask someone to do this. How many > decades has the l

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-03-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
On 2/28/07, Gar Lipow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/28/07, Robert Scott Gassler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So go for it. Describe the model for America. I think that is unfair. Yoshie is at the beginning of a process. A fairer challenge would be to ask Yoshie to list a few things leftists sh

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-03-01 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 2 mars 07, at 00:50, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: On 3/1/07, Jean-Christophe Helary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why should there be a model for America ? Yoshie is only saying that Europe should not be thought as one. Is there a model for Europe ? For Japan ? For Africa ? Among the social democr

Re: [PEN-L] Europe Is Not the Model for America

2007-03-02 Thread Robert Scott Gassler
Maybe look at other countries piecemeal. Brazilian voting machines, Belgian health insurance. The latter is not a silly idea. It's a bit like US auto insurance: everyone has to have it, and it is provided through private (mutual) insurance companies. I just found a thread from January 24 (re:Re: