[PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Walt Byars
I've observed that the most common (non) argument that I've seen against heterodox economics is "If mainstream economics is so bad, then why do most experts follow it?" I assume alot of you have come across this annoying argument before, and I am wondering how you reply to it. I generally like to

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Daniel Davies
IMO the most effective argument (albeit that it is not one I would try out at a cocktail party as it is likely to get you a reputation as a bore), is to start banging on about the Cambridge Capital Controversy. This is one issue on which the mainstream view was wrong, they argued for a decade abou

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
Steve Keen has an entire book about this sort of stuff (DEBUNKING ECONOMICS). The first page refers to a major error of orthodox (NC) economics which is similar to the Cambridge Capital Controversy: NC economics has Lipsey and Someotherguy's "theory of the second best" (that says that if there are

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Sandwichman
Why risk boring people at cocktail parties when you can cut right to the belly button of the beast -- the peculiarly named 'lump-of-labor fallacy' that just happens to be the double-bound pillar upon which mainstream economics has built its schizophrenogenic edifice? Oroboros has nothing on a sna

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Walt Byars
Yeah, that is probably the most perfect example to use. Another one is that Stigler and Kindahl wrote a whole book trying to refute Gardiner Means' administered price thesis. Means replied pointing out that S&K had no idea of what the APT was. In another article, they admitted in a footnote he was

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Michael Perelman
I am boring, but I don't go to cocktail parties. Solow gave the definitive answer: NC is wrong, but who cares? Reswitching is not of empirical importance. On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 07:05:38PM -, Daniel Davies wrote: > IMO the most effective argument (albeit that it is not one I would try out

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
On 11/13/05, Michael Perelman wrote: >... Solow gave the definitive answer: > NC is wrong, but who cares? Reswitching is not of empirical importance. the only thing that can trump a theory is another theory that is logically superior and encorporates the empirically-valid elements of the first t

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Gil Skillman
At 01:07 PM 11/13/2005, you wrote: I've observed that the most common (non) argument that I've seen against heterodox economics is "If mainstream economics is so bad, then why do most experts follow it?" I assume alot of you have come across this annoying argument before, and I am wondering how

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Let me modify Jim's pithy statement to allow for wealthy think tank funding having an effect. Think about the huge money flows to the handful of global warming sceptics. On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 02:37:16PM -0800, Jim Devine wrote: > > the only thing that can trump a theory is another theory that

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Walt Byars
Well, one of my main things is that I support the Administered Price Thesis associated with Means over mainstream pricing theories. I am not 100% sure, but can't this theory be considered inherently contrary to neoclassical economics? Forgive me if I am wrong (which I probably am, because some of

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Jim Devine
Walt writes: >... by mainstream I was referring to the particular views which are held by a vast majority of the profession (I said mainstream rather than NC for this reason).< that's right. There's a difference between the official mainstream (what I call orthodox) economics and broader neoclassi

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Gassler Robert
Another popular way of saying it is "you can't beat something with nothing." Anyone who looks at the devastated state of sociological theory at the present time knows that you can. They defeated structural-functionalism and now have nothing. (More properly, they have nothing dominant, but the re

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-13 Thread Gassler Robert
When my book Beyond Profit and Self-Interest was accepted for publication one condition was that I read Becker's Accounting for Tastes. When I reread Stigler and Becker's "De Gustubis..." I discovered that it actually refutes NC welfare economics rather than supports it. At one point they say so

Re: [PEN-L] Mainstream economics & appeal to authority

2005-11-14 Thread Daniel Davies
I may one day pen a defence of Becker as the lost prodigal of heterodox economics. He is actually very heterodox in his economics and only really fits in at Chicago by hanging round with a crew of wannabes who translate his economics into kindasorta neoclassical models. Needless to say the wannab