[PEN-L] More Godel

2005-03-17 Thread Charles Brown
Michael Perelman: Mirowski says that Godel's proof rattled both Turing Van Neuman, making them turn from formalizing to matters such as game theory computers. -clip- CB: As Carlos on Marxmail suggested might be pertinent to this: The question whether objective truth can be attributed to

Re: [PEN-L] More Godel

2005-03-17 Thread ravi
michael perelman wrote: Mirowski says that Godel's proof rattled both Turing Van Neuman, making them turn from formalizing to matters such as game theory computers. probably true, but IIRC turing published his halting problem result after 'undecidability propositions of principia

Re: [PEN-L] More Godel

2005-03-17 Thread ravi
Charles Brown wrote: CB: As Carlos on Marxmail suggested might be pertinent to this: The question whether objective truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a practical question. Man must prove the truth, i.e., the reality and power, the this-sidedness

Re: [PEN-L] More Godel

2005-03-17 Thread Les Schaffer
michael perelman wrote: Mirowski says that Godel's proof rattled both Turing Van Neuman, making them turn from formalizing to matters such as game theory computers. i grabbed a copy of Goldstein's book this morning in the bookstore and gave it a fast read (good on history and philosophical

Re: [PEN-L] More Godel

2005-03-17 Thread ravi
Les Schaffer wrote: in relation to a question raised on marxmail regarding any relationship between Godel's and Heisenberg's work: next to Goldstein's book at the Border's Bookstore math section stood an interesting work by Palle Yourgrau (philosopher at Brandeis) entitled A World Without