[PEN-L] The hidden Marxism of the environmental movement (1)

Renewable energies are technologically proven and economically not more expensive than fossil or nuclear (if you consider the subsidies received by and damages created by the latter). Renewable energies are needed for global warming and security reasons. Nevertheless, they have not taken off. On

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Thanks, Hans. This article is very relevant. Very readable & incisive, too. He is not a Marxist, but his reasoning follows your line. MacKenzie, Donald. 2007. "The Political Economy of Carbon Trading." London Review of Books, 29: 7 (April). -- Mich

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On Jul 28, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Michael Perelman wrote: Thanks, Hans. This article is very relevant. Very readable & incisive, too. He is not a Marxist, but his reasoning follows your line. MacKenzie, Donald. 2007. "The Political Economy of Carbon Trading." London Review of Books, 29: 7 (April

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Doug wrote: > That piece is rather friendly towards carbon trading, while > acknowledging some devils in the details. Are you going soft on > markets, Michael? I am glad you bring this up, Doug. Some practicioners in the industry say that the European cap'n trade scheme is a mess, and even the A

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What I appreciated about the article was all the wheeling and dealing that infected the carbon trading setup. Anyway, his book, MacKenzie, Donald A. 2006. An Engine, Not a Camera (Cambridge: MIT Press), was terrific. Most of all, enjoy the cruise! On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 11:19:02AM -0700, Doug

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On 7/29/07, ehrbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am glad you bring this up, Doug. Some practicioners in the industry > say that the European cap'n trade scheme is a mess, and even the > American Enterprise Institute is critical of cap'n trade, see > > http://www.aei.org/docLib/20070601_EPOg.pdf

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Hans, I think you've failed to indict a segment that is a particular player pushing Cap & Trade. The large environmental groups, specifically Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and Environmental Defense (ED) are both deal makers for the environment and brokers of those deals. After

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Eugene Coyle wrote: There is an alternative that is dismissed by the mainstream Democrats (Barbara Boxer for example) as a good idea that can't be enacted. "So let's line up behind Cap & Trade." That is the Carbon Tax. = The Economist had a piece las

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On 7/29/07, Marvin Gandall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Eugene Coyle wrote: > > There is an alternative that is dismissed by the mainstream Democrats > (Barbara Boxer for example) as a good idea that can't be enacted. "So let's > line up behind Cap & Trade." That is the Carbon Tax. a carbon

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Jim, I've mentioned Peter Barnes' book favorably a couple of times here. I'm glad to hear about it from you. Beyond the atmospheric commons, the book is rich with other commons that can be claimed or re-claimed. Most if not all of the carbon tax proposals have a rebate for lower i