Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-21 Thread Ted Winslow
Charles asks: How do you integrate Marx's concept of "necessity" into your analysis ? Two ontological ideas, "internal relations" and an objective and knowable "good," generate an idea of "necessity" that makes it consistent with fully "free self-determination." The second idea, the idea of a

[PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-20 Thread Charles Brown
Whiskers links the objective and the subjective in the aphorism " When an idea grips masses it becomes a material force. " ^^ Ted, How do you integrate Marx's concept of "necessity" into your analysis ? Charles * From: Ted Winslow Louis Proyect pointed to Zizek on Mao:

[PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-19 Thread Charles Brown
Ted, How do you integrate Marx's concept of "necessity" into your analysis ? Charles * From: Ted Winslow Louis Proyect pointed to Zizek on Mao: http://www.lacan.com/zizmaozedong.htm There we find the following: The further key point concerns the principal ASPECT

Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-18 Thread Ted Winslow
That should have been For instance, "Christian" beliefs that make the eternal suffering of one's "enemies" at the hands of a vengeful sadistic "god" a source of "rapturous" joy indicate a degree of development lower than that required for the creation of the penultimate social form. This is conf

Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-18 Thread Ted Winslow
The url for the second passage ("what is wealth" etc.) is mistaken. It should be: As the 1881 draft of the letter to Vera Zasulich (www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/03/zasulich1.htm>) demonstrates, Marx didn't req

Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-18 Thread Ted Winslow
Michael wrote: This misinterprets Marx. Forces and relations of production are "subjective." They express the degree of development of human "subjectivity," the degree of "development of the human mind." "accumulation is nothing but the amassing of the productive powers of social labour, so t

Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-17 Thread michael a. lebowitz
At 18:15 17/03/2007, Ted wrote: This misinterprets Marx. Forces and relations of production are "subjective." They express the degree of development of human "subjectivity," the degree of "development of the human mind." "accumulation is nothing but the amassing of the productive powers of so

Re: [PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-17 Thread Ted Winslow
Louis Proyect pointed to Zizek on Mao: http://www.lacan.com/zizmaozedong.htm There we find the following: The further key point concerns the principal ASPECT of a contradiction; for example, with regard to the contradiction between the productive forces and the relations of production, t

[PEN-L] Zizek extols Mao (I believe...)

2007-03-17 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.lacan.com/zizmaozedong.htm