[PEN-L] class struggle in the Ukraine

2004-11-23 Thread Chris Burford
This looks like a pivotal moment when the Ukraine will fall either mainly into the orbit of the European Union, or back into the orbit of Russia. Street demonstrations could lead to violence. In a previous century these would have led to threats of armed invasion. In this century it is not impossib

Re: [PEN-L] class struggle in the Ukraine

2004-11-23 Thread Chris Doss
--- Chris Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is also an understated linked contradiction with the religious split reflecting centuries of different historical experience between the Catholic west and the Orthodox east. -- It's a conflict between East and West Ukraine, town (except for Kiev)

Re: [PEN-L] class struggle in the Ukraine

2004-11-23 Thread Devine, James
Chris Buford writes: > There is also an understated linked contradiction with > the religious > split reflecting centuries of different historical > experience between > the Catholic west and the Orthodox east. Chris Doss writes: > It's a conflict between East and West Ukraine, town > (except fo

Re: [PEN-L] class struggle in the Ukraine

2004-11-23 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Doss writes: > > It's a conflict between East and West Ukraine, > town > > (except for Kiev) and country, Russians and > > Ukrainians, and the Russian and Ukrainian > languages. > > Really Ukraine should be split into two countries > ... > >