[PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
speaking of excessive energy costs, there was a story on US National Public Radio a week or so ago about the loss of fertility of African soils. The experts spoke, recommending aid to help Africans buy more (energy-intensive, import-intensive) artificial infertilizer. Whatever happened to rotating

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 michaelperelman.wordpress.com -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Devine Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:47 AM To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901 michaelperelman.wordpress.com -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Devine Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:47 AM To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: [PEN-L] fertilizer

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Phillips
This is not a problem restricted to Africa or peasant agriculture. The following is courtesy of Bill Totten on A-list. It's Disappearing by Tom Paulson The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (January 22 2008) The planet is getting skinned. While many worry about the potential consequences of

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
Not really. The peasants like the barren hillsides, which are much more interesting than the fertile plains. Jim wrote: I agree, but even fragile soils can be helped with old-fashioned techniques (though perhaps not healed). Part of the problem, of course, is that in many places the best lands

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Paul Phillips
This is not a problem restricted to Africa or peasant agriculture. The following is courtesy of Bill Totten on A-list. It's Disappearing by Tom Paulson The Seattle Post-Intelligencer (January 22 2008) The planet is getting skinned. While many worry about the potential consequences of

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Jim Devine
me: I agree, but even fragile soils can be helped with old-fashioned techniques (though perhaps not healed). Part of the problem, of course, is that in many places the best lands were grabbed by the Europeans during colonization. Michael Perelman wrote: Not really. The peasants like the

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Sandwichman
They also like to travel far from their homes to go down into holes in the ground to dig for diamonds they can give to their European benefactors. On 2/20/08, Perelman, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. The peasants like the barren hillsides, which are much more interesting than the

Re: [PEN-L] fertilizer [was: Peak food]

2008-02-20 Thread Perelman, Michael
In Farming for Profit in a Hungry World (1977) I estimated that the US lost 20 lbs of soil for each lb. of food produced. I have been intending to read Montgomery's book. Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University michael at ecst.csuchico.edu Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321