Re: [Maybe Spam] Coverage testing success story.

2004-12-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:32:51PM -0600, Michael Carman wrote: > > I think this is the most valuable part of the exercise - the bugs you find > > when you think 'its got 98% coverage, there cant possibly be any bugs > > left...oh, look' > > With a little luck, that's when it finally sinks that co

Re: [Maybe Spam] Coverage testing success story.

2004-12-14 Thread Michael Carman
On 12/14/2004 6:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> So even when you approach 100% there's still bugs to be found with simple >> coverage analysis. > > I think this is the most valuable part of the exercise - the bugs you find > when you think 'its got 98% coverage

Re: [Maybe Spam] Coverage testing success story.

2004-12-14 Thread leif . eriksen
You may be interested in what I found on my journey to 100% coverage with D::C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So even when you approach 100% there's still bugs to be found with simple coverage analysis. I think this is the most valuable part of the exercise - t

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:10:51PM +0100, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > > If programmers outside your project look at it and go "Huh?" you've just > > lost yourself a potential patch as they recoil. > > Don't think so. spaces and bracing is hard to do it so bad as to other people > unable to be able to

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 14 Dec 2004 21:49, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's all I have to say about tabs. > > I expect the source to look the same no matter whose editor, pager, printer > or utility I run it through. Literal tabs violate this. The end. > > Here's what I have to say about

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
Here's all I have to say about tabs. I expect the source to look the same no matter whose editor, pager, printer or utility I run it through. Literal tabs violate this. The end. Here's what I have to say about clever bracing/spacing styles. Your bracing/spacing style should not be a detrim

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:15:13AM +, Ben Evans wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 05:35:53AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Tripped across this on WardsWiki just now. #5 is my favorite as its often > > forgotten in the noise. "Oh, the noise! Oh, the noise! Noise! Noise! Noise! That's one

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 14 Dec 2004 18:21, Ricardo SIGNES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * "H.Merijn Brand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-12-14T11:28:19] > > About spaces, another thing springs to mind, for which I would gladly kill > > the > > responsible people to allow it (I bet M$ was the first to push it): Spaces

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* "H.Merijn Brand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-12-14T11:28:19] > About spaces, another thing springs to mind, for which I would gladly kill the > responsible people to allow it (I bet M$ was the first to push it): Spaces in > database table and field names. DON'T! NEVER! Once you start it, you will >

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 14 Dec 2004 17:10, Adam Turoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:14:32 +0100, H.Merijn Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Tue 14 Dec 2004 16:04, "Clayton, Nik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I've normally got enough going on in my head when writing code, > > >

Re: --session option to prove

2004-12-14 Thread Andy Lester
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:56:04PM +0200, Yuval Kogman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I've started prelimenary work on Test::Harness::Daemon, which is > supposed to let you make various clients to testing. Some will > report, others will schedule, some will do both. Unless it's a sub-part of Test::

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:14:32 +0100, H.Merijn Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue 14 Dec 2004 16:04, "Clayton, Nik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I've normally got enough going on in my head when writing code, > > worrying about the house style should not be one of them. > > Wrong. It shoul

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 14 Dec 2004 15:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dominic Mitchell) wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 12:21:50PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: > > On 14 Dec 2004, at 11:26, Clayton, Nik wrote: > > >To be honest, I don't care if someone's house style is for TAB to > > >indent > > >2, 4, or 8 characters; ho

Re: Uncle Bob on Coding Standards

2004-12-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 14 Dec 2004 16:04, "Clayton, Nik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I /think/ he means what the tab key's effect is when typed in > > his editor of choice > > Correct. Hitting TAB should indent to the correct level for the current > context. I don't especially care whether the editor does b