Re: Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
I did some profiling and easy optimizations which sped things up quite a bit, but it didn't translate into real world improvements. Turns out the real problem is startup time. use Test::More; 0.98 real0m0.021s user0m0.016s sys 0m0.004s 1.5 real0m0.092s user0m0.083s sys

Relying more on Mouse

2011-11-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
Test::Builder1.5 is slow. How slow? About 3x slower than 0.98. Enough to significantly impact test performance. For example, Spiffy takes 1 second with 0.98 vs 3.3s with 1.5. I deliberately didn't do any profiling or optimization while the design was coming together. This avoided spending tim

Re: Dual life t/test.pl?

2011-11-18 Thread chromatic
On Friday, November 18, 2011 at 06:21 PM, Michael G wrote: > If I'm hearing you correctly, your argument is that t/test.pl is internal to > the core and does not need to be documented or tested. I thought his point was rather that it doesn't need to be stable[1] across releases of Perl 5. I cur

Re: Dual life t/test.pl?

2011-11-18 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 2011.11.17 4:08 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: >> 1) It's not really my goal to make it distributable as a CPAN module, >>but as just something you copy. > > It continues to be my goal to reduce the amount of effort needed to support > the core. Exposing more of the internals runs counter to thi

Re: [QA2012] IRC meeting 2011-11-17

2011-11-18 Thread Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:46:51PM +0100, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote: > > mdk also suggested to add a "donate" button to the site, to get some > support from the community. I think it's a very good idea. > The normal online payment system offered by YEF might be difficult to use, because it n

[QA2012] IRC meeting 2011-11-17

2011-11-18 Thread Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
Hi, here's a quick summary of what was said on irc (the meeting actually started at 14:00 CET instead of 13:00, because I was very late). The date and venue have been decided: Friday March 30 to Sunday April 1st, at the Carrefour Numérique of La Cité des Sciences, in Paris. Early next week, we w