Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-15 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
chromatic wrote: > One issue that hasn't come up much is that you can't always rely on STDERR > being available when a human looks at the test results. > > Think of testing long-running programs in process, testing in the browser > (whether via JavaScript Test.Builder or Apache::Test), and automate

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-15 Thread chromatic
On Thursday 15 March 2007 09:49, brian d foy wrote: > I'm not advocating any change here because I'm perfectly happy with > what we have now, but isn't the problem there that # means too many > things? > > If a comment started with a # (because this is perl), and other things > had some other sigi

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-15 Thread brian d foy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Piping all diagnostics to STDOUT solves nothing except maybe allowing runtests > to display warnings again. You still can't tell the difference between a > comment (what currently is "# foo" printed to STDOUT) and a f

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-14 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 17:02, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I forgot, I'm on a mailing list. Thou shalt not let any inaccuracy, no > matter how minor or totally inconsequential to the point being made, go > uncorrected. I generally consider it good debating technique to characterize the opposin

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-14 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 15:05, Michael G Schwern wrote: > chromatic wrote: > > I think my point eluded everyone. Let me be very clear. > > > > MAKE diag() PRINT TO STDOUT NOT STDERR. > > Deja vu all over again. We had this discussion months ago when TAP::Parser > tried EXACTLY this, at the t

Re: No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
Let me make something clear, I don't have a solution to this problem. I'm just finally getting a grip on what the problem actually is. The last week has shaken lose use cases and conditions I hadn't thought about before and the TAP diagnostic syntax proposal does not cover. What I do know is tha

No, sending diag() to STDOUT won't work. Yet again.

2007-03-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
chromatic wrote: > On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:41, Geoffrey Young wrote: > >>> There ought to be a way to capture diagnostic information in the TAP >>> stream because it's useful for diagnosing problems. > >> so, to chromatic's point, I can't help but feel like solving the quoted >> issue would