>
> Can you give us any update on these tests on the same platform?
>
All seems to be well here, too. (At svn 37803.)
C:\parrot>prove t\op\arithmetics.t
t\op\arithmeticsok
All tests successful.
Files=1, Tests=23, 4 wallclock secs ( 0.08 usr + 0.01 sys = 0.09 CPU)
Result: PASS
C:\parrot>pr
> Can you give us any update on these tests on the same platform?
>
I'll be able to check early tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon.
BTW, this mail account will be disappearing in a month or so. I have
1parr...@gmail.com as a substitute.
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> Could I ask that either the requestor or somebody else with an
> appropriate system verify my results?
>
That one's so old I'd fogotten about it. I've been running tests over the
last 9 months, so I think we can consider that closed.
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> yep, seems like an msvc version thing. iirc there was funny -0
> handling in msvc 7. can the OP attach Parrot::Configure::Generated?
> ~jerry
>
I would, if I could find anything with a name like that, (with or without
.pm suffix). What should the complete path be?
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> Could you try the following patch ?
>
That seems to have done the trick.
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> Justin Simoni
You may have to be careful about the camel imagery; I think O'Reilly have
a legal lock on camel-related graphics in association with Perl. Richard
Dice can probably give you more details.
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The Prelude could be helpful for training. I've been trying to work out a
logical path into Perl 6 for quite some time, not least because it's been
a moving target. If there's a set of definitions that a computer can
follow, humans should be able to move along that path too.
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As outlined, the requirements seem to be pretty much those of any major
Open Source development project. Keeping this in mind might yield a
generic template usable by other projects in future.
Solving generic problems rather than specific ones does involve a little
more thought, (it's possible to
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:11 PM, chromatic wrote:
>
>> I can't read the word "Purdue" without thinking "Year of the Purdue
>> Wonder Chicken" -- but try working that into Perl 6 advocacy.
>
> Except that's Perdue
>
> Andy Lester => a...@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
"A La Recherc
>
> Alan: Any update on this?
>
> Question for any Win32 expert: Is the Borland C compiler worth
> expending Parrot tuits on?
>
The Strawberry Perl route produced results, so I stopped whacking the
horse, on the assumption that it was dead.
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> --- On Thu, 23/10/08, Gabor Szabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Don't you think it would be important to start working
>> in this direction?
What about OpenMoko? Doesn't that run a fairly standard Linux?
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> I don't know who is submitting the Darwin x86 tests.
>
Probably Seneca.
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>> OH HAI...you can haz fix in r31228. Plz I can haz spectests so we avoidz
>> regreshuns?
>
> IF u sai so. U can haz tesz in r31229.
>
> KTXBAI,
>
Can this meme be exorcised before the contamination spreads?
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> This is a patch in the sense of "bandaid". What is it about the letter
> 'K' that means that this probe gives sloppy results on Kubuntu when on
> Ubuntu it has built cleanly for me every day since I started
Something to do with KDE vs Gnome, since that's the major difference?
Perhaps KDE's scr
>
> This is a patch in the sense of "bandaid". What is it about the letter
> 'K' that means that this probe gives sloppy results on Kubuntu when on
> Ubuntu it has built cleanly for me every day
Something to do with Gnome, since that's the major difference between the
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> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 04:28:36PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote:
>> Has the "err" operator, as a low-precidence version of //, been removed?
>
> Yes.
>
It could be recycled as a "fuzzy Boolean", returning a fractional value
between +1 and -1, indicating the confidence with which the result is
off
>
> The desired behavior is creating the file if not present or his number
> is outdated, not touching it if the number is already correct.
>
At 29516, that seems to be what it's doing
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> I fixed the problem in r29488, but I don't have any windows
> environment available to test.
>
I just ran a test on XP-Home (using Strawberry Perl) after updating to
r29495. Configure.pl creates the file (whether or not it was present), but
the value appears to be a constant 0. (Make test and pe
>> > On Windows XP Home Edition, using gcc, the following test error is
>> > occurring:
>> >
>> > Divide by zero^M
>> > current instr.: 'life' pc 175 (examples\pir\life.pir:102)
>> >
> Can any of our windows users duplicate this bug? If not, it may not
> exist anymore.
It didn't show up in the t
>From Bernhard Schmalhofer:
> As "Plumhead" is a stupid name, cotto proposed to rename to "Pharrot".
>
> So I'm still open for an alternative.
Parroheep?
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> I notice that the *actual* exit code I'm getting is 256. Has that
> changed since the OP or is there some bit-shifting going on here?
>
If you are testing the return from a system call, "To get the actual exit
value, divide by 256. (The lower eight bits are set if the process died
from a signal
> Well, if I had RTFM 'perldoc File::Temp' correctly, I wouldn't have
> gotten the arguments wrong.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
Sometimes, you just have to explain it to the bear before you understand.
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Just out of idle curiousity, (and so I can explain it when training), I
would like to know the original motivation for string/number arithmetic.
My guess is automatic generation of predictable filenames. Am I anywhere
close?
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"John M. Dlugosz" and I have both replied to "whiteringmoon"'s query, so I
don't think anyone else need to. (If he's genuine, we don't want to
bombard him with multiple replies, and if not, let's not give out too much
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On Windows, make, make perl6, and make test all function in ops2c branch
with no more than the customary grumbling.
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>> This should be fixed in r26641.
>>
>> Could you confirm?
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> and so we've been holding off on argument processing until that's
resolved a > bit more.
>
Should it matter what's in the "allowed" class? From the beginning, there
ought to be a default "if I don't know what this is, spit it back" action.
What happens before that point is irrelevant.
> P.S.:
Two straight comment patches seeking commitment: currently attached.
(to exception.c and headers.c)
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>
> On a more rational note, has any thought been given to what "good enough
> performance for release" will be?
Should we perhaps add a performance benchmark to the tests?
Normalising it to account for hardware variations might be a problem.
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Patches to events.c and inter_misc.c should be attached to the back
bumper. If they're OK, perhaps someone could commit them?
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--- src/pmc.c (revision 25371)
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@@ -472,7 +472,9 @@
Attached are patches to embed.c and runops_cores.c
The embed.c patch also includes an attempt to clarify another comment.
(It's not obvious that the code is doing all that the comment claims, but
I didn't investigate that.)
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> But I'm unclear: Did 'make' complete successfully? I.e., did you end
> up with a './parrot' executable in your top-level sandbox?
>
Yes. And when I made Perl 6, it said "Hello (&c)".
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> Hi, Alan! What kind of CPU do you have? If you have an AMD Athlon XP
> (or something of similar lineage), I think I know what the problem is.
>
I think you've nailed it: Athlon XP-M.
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> Using the "Strawberry Perl" on Windows XP to install Parrot resulted in
> the attached warnings output from the make step.
>
I'll try a stronger glue this time; maybe they'll stay attached.
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Glimmerings of a hint of progress.
Adding --miniparrot to the command line:
C:\parrot>Configure.pl --cc=bcc32 --miniparrot
bypasses the test that hangs. This enables "make" to fall on its face with
the following message:
C:\parrot>make
MAKE Version 5.2 Copyright (c) 1987, 2000 Borland
Error
I think I've now connected brain to fingers and patch to message.
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The attached patch should quieten some of the grumbling. It's entirely
comments, so should not have any functional impact.
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> When using a non-default C compiler, you will usually need to add a
> --link to the Configure line. So, something like...
>
> Configure.pl --cc=bcc32 --link=bcc32
>
Doesn't appear to make any difference.
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Is there anyone familiar with the use (if any) of the revision number in
the Perl 6 and Parrot code?
It looks as though it might be possible to simplify some processes, but
I'm having trouble tracking down evidence. If there's a maven on the
topic, an explanation or some references, (maybe out-of
> For a fun bit of trivia, spend some time comparing Perl 1's perl.y and
> Perl 5's perly.y. Amazing how much still persists after 20 years.
>
Technological Cheshire cats; the grin lingers long after the cat has
disappeared. Computing has them by the clowder.
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> I think the data will support the idea that a directory structure based
on OS/CPU is probably not the way to start.
>
Quite possibly. The proposed file could suffer from the same combinatorial
explosion, if not properly structured. Does anyone have a good idea of the
most economical structure for
Some hand-waving on the problem of configuration and test selection, (as
the two appear to share the issues, an ideal solution would address both).
For any usable environment, a large set of common processes have to be
executed, with a smaller, OS &&/|| CPU specific set omitted. One way to do
this
>
> No, some people put .pl on the end of their "scripts" because they are
> running on broken operating systems.
>
> So, I imagine, for Perl6, I'll be making the same strong recommendation
> that Perl6 scripts, just like Perl5 and Perl4 scripts before them, have
*no*
> extension.
>
>Randal L. Sch
>
>> > Jarkko's view was that if he were doing Perl 5 Unicode again he would
>> opt for fixed width 32 bit rather than UTF-8,
It seems to be a general principle of system design that the best way to
process irregular and unpredictable things, is to grab them as close to
the outside of the system a
> James E Keenan wrote:
>>
>> For portability reasons, however, shouldn't it be converted to Perl 5?
>
> The difference here is that you can only generate Debian packages on a
> Debian-based system, so portability to non-Linux systems isn't a concern.
>
That was my assumption. (Along with the need
>
> A quick cage cleaner task. Create a script to generate the file
> ports/debian/parrot-doc.docs
I've attached a quickie shell script, in case that's what you want. It's a
naive little thing, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.
A properly formatted and tested Perl script will take
While trying to understand Parrot::Vtables.pm, I came across what seems
to be some "zombie" code, possibly left after RT 48877.
1. Two references to src/pmc/null.pl, which does not appear to exist.
2. The method "vtbl_embed", which is used only in
parrot/tools/build/vtable_extend.pl That writes
i
> In the concurrency work I'm about to check in, I have some tests that
> fail intermittently because they test for something like:
>
> But, as we add more asynchronous code, and more asynchronous tests, we'll
> need to do more thinking on our strategies for testing asynchronous code.
>
Would
>
> A number of languages have a "with ..." construct that's intended to
> cut down on repetitive typing,
I hope I will be excused for dragging in the indecency, but it might be
worth looking at the concepts COBOL used to mitigate its verbosity, (e.g.
types defined in a structure that get inherit
> Nicholas Clark wrote:
>> Do the structures actually overlap, or is this necessary band aid for a
>> subtly broken compiler?
>>
> Jonathan Worthington replied:
>
> I think the compiler is to blame.
Are we hurling abuse at^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H informing the GNU folks about the
apparent problem? :-)*
B
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, James Keenan wrote:
>
>> The patch attached proposes to refactor Parrot configuration step
>> class inter::progs into two classes: inter::compiler and inter::progs.
>>
Are we at any risk of redoing work here? Other OSS projects must
presumably have faced the same problems.
>
> So, it's because <> is so much bigger than «this», "this", or
> 'this'?
>
Would that have anything to do with "Big hat, no cattle"? :-)*
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I tried it on the 0.5.0 updated this week, with the following results:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] nqp]$ ../../parrot nqp.pbc ~/tmp/blue_rect.pl
Cannot find the attribute 'post' (String) that you asked for.
Method 'named' not found
current instr.: 'parrot;POST::Grammar;_PAST::Op_pirop' pc 4378
(src/POST/Gra
>> the definition of FLOAT_IS_ZERO in include/parrot/misc.h is
Could this be relevant to RT45209 (a -0.0 being taken as true, rather than
false?). I tried to track down the problem, but got lost in the woods.
Somebody more familiar with the logic might recognise it.
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>
> How about "stack" and "register", or are there better labels? If it's
> confusing now, it will probably be confusing in the future, especially for
> everyone who doesn't know it's the platform ABI.
>
That sounds like the essential distinction to me.
While I was researching the topic, I came a
> looks like all dutch to me.
>
Part of it is in English, (the abstract). The body of the paper is in
Dutch (and Javascript). The abstract is very positive towards Parrot.
>>
>>http://users.fulladsl.be/spb1622/pjs/scriptie.pdf
>
It's too bad that some of the energy being dissipated on pointless
r
> I'm not sure about the current status of t/examples/shootout.t on Linux,
> but it is still failing on Darwin. See attached.
>
It just passed on my Mandriva.
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>From ozgun:
>
> Inlining replies.
>
>> 1. What's the environment; Solaris, GNU/Linux, *nix, Windows?
>
> Linux.
>
>> 2. What hard information do you have on the resources being used? Have
>> you been able to profile it? Pareto's Law applies surprisingly often.
>
> Tons. In fact, we have more infor
Have there been any significant changes since the 2nd. edition of "Perl 6
and Parrot Essentials"?
If so, where should I look for a summary?
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