Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Uri Guttman
> "CS" == Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: CS> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 07:28:14PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: >> 80, or 100, or 132 are all some arbitrary limits. But the latter is already >> inconvenient on a 12" powermac with reasonable font size [1]. CS> That's an in

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:49:20PM -0400, Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote: > Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:05:08PM -0400, Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote: > >> Don't forget that some programs, like mailers, wrap at 80 characters. > > > > I don't know of any mailer that is hard-coded at a

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Bob Rogers
From: Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:07:16 -0700 On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 07:28:14PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > 80, or 100, or 132 are all some arbitrary limits. But the latter is already > inconvenient on a 12" powermac with reasonable font size

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 07:28:14PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > Am Montag, 21. August 2006 17:45 schrieb Chip Salzenberg: > > Well, that's fair. ?Many of us are old enough to have used such limited > > hardware, but it's all surely been relegated to the trashheap by now. ?So: > > Would anyone be

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Mr. Shawn H. Corey
Chip Salzenberg wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:05:08PM -0400, Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote: >> Don't forget that some programs, like mailers, wrap at 80 characters. > > I don't know of any mailer that is hard-coded at any given column width. > Do you? Thunderbird, Evolution, just to name two. OK

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:05:08PM -0400, Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote: > Don't forget that some programs, like mailers, wrap at 80 characters. I don't know of any mailer that is hard-coded at any given column width. Do you? -- Chip Salzenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 07:28:14PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > 80, or 100, or 132 are all some arbitrary limits. But the latter is already > inconvenient on a 12" powermac with reasonable font size [1]. That's an interesting and modern metric: minimum common screen size divided by minimum rea

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Mr. Shawn H. Corey
jerry gay wrote: > On 8/21/06, Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My preference: soft limit 80 - keep lines shorter, if it's easy >>hard limit ~100 - you SHALL not exceed it >> > coding standards are quite helpful, but cannot be applied absolutely. > there are good reas

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread jerry gay
On 8/21/06, Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My preference: soft limit 80 - keep lines shorter, if it's easy hard limit ~100 - you SHALL not exceed it coding standards are quite helpful, but cannot be applied absolutely. there are good reasons why a line of code might

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 08:45 -0700, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Will Coleda wrote: > > The way you phrase the question, you're not going to get any of these > > answers. Who is programming parrot on their *physical* VT100? =-). > > The primary reason for an

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Am Montag, 21. August 2006 17:45 schrieb Chip Salzenberg: > Well, that's fair.  Many of us are old enough to have used such limited > hardware, but it's all surely been relegated to the trashheap by now.  So: > Would anyone be inconvenienced by exceeding 80 columns regularly; and, how? 80, or 100,

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Will Coleda wrote: > The way you phrase the question, you're not going to get any of these > answers. Who is programming parrot on their *physical* VT100? =-). > The primary reason for an 80 column limit is developer convenience, I > think. Well, that

[perl #40162] [PATCH] parrot/trunk/docs/art/pp001-intro.pod - spelling

2006-08-21 Thread Will Coleda via RT
Thanks, applied as r14297.

[perl #40207] [PATCH] tools/dev/install_files.pl - replace tabs with spaces

2006-08-21 Thread Will Coleda via RT
Thanks, applied as r14296 In the future, please send patches relative to parrot root: http://www.parrotcode.org/docs/submissions.html This will make it easy to apply them. Thanks again!

Re: SKIPs Are Now a Code Smell

2006-08-21 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 07:17:03PM -0700, chromatic wrote: > Thus, I suggest that we collectively unskip all of the tests that might > possibly pass on all platforms, tighten the skip conditions to their minimum > necessities, use TODO instead of SKIP absolutely everywhere possible, and > delete

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Will Coleda
The way you phrase the question, you're not going to get any of these answers. Who is programming parrot on their *physical* VT100? =-). The primary reason for an 80 column limit is developer convenience, I think. On the other hand, I think taking the preferences of the core developers in

Re: End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Alberto Simões
Hi all, Chip Salzenberg wrote: So ambs has been making a lot of source changes as suggested by t/distro/linelength.t. (And making them very well, I might add.) Given the nature of Parrot code, I think a bit wider would be OK. Would anyone currently hacking Parrot be significantly inconvenienc

End the Hollerith Tyranny? (linelength.t)

2006-08-21 Thread Chip Salzenberg
So ambs has been making a lot of source changes as suggested by t/distro/linelength.t. (And making them very well, I might add.) Given the nature of Parrot code, I think a bit wider would be OK. Would anyone currently hacking Parrot be significantly inconvenienced by having wider lines? BTW, th

[perl #40210] [TODO] Provide a way for PGE's dump to go to string

2006-08-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Will Coleda # Please include the string: [perl #40210] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=40210 > While the primary use of dump is for immediate debug output (and therefore puts is ok),

[perl #40209] [TODO] convert t/compilers/pge/p6regex/01-regex.t to PIR

2006-08-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Will Coleda # Please include the string: [perl #40209] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=40209 > Running these tests in PIR instead of perl will give us a speedup during 'make test', a

Parrot Bug Summary

2006-08-21 Thread Parrot Bug Summary
Parrot Bug Summary http://rt.perl.org/rt3/NoAuth/parrot/Overview.html Generated at Mon Aug 21 13:15:03 2006 GMT --- * Numbers * New Issues * Overview of Open Issues * Ticket Status By Version * Requestors with m

[perl #40207] [PATCH] tools/dev/install_files.pl - replace tabs with spaces

2006-08-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Amir E. Aharoni # Please include the string: [perl #40207] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=40207 > A tiny cage-cleaning patch. AFFECTED FILE: tools/dev/install_files.pl FIX: replaced

Re: [perl #39868] [CAGE] convert C NN; }> to C NN;>

2006-08-21 Thread Nuno Carvalho
Hi again, I've tried this patch again and fixed only one minor detail, here's the log of what i did: $ rm -rf t/ $ make realclean $ svn up (...) Updated to revision 14291. $ perl Configure.pl $ make $ make test 2>&1 | tee BEFORE_PATCH [apply patch] $ svn up At revision 14291. $ make test 2>&1