Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Jens Rieks
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 07:52, Robert Schwebel wrote: Would autoconf/automake be an option for the C part of parrot? No, its only available on a few systems. Some months ago, I tried to cross compile Parrot to ARM (Zaurus), and to compile Parrot directly on the Zaurus, with no success

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Robert Schwebel
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 02:00:14PM +0200, Jens Rieks wrote: On Tuesday 07 September 2004 07:52, Robert Schwebel wrote: Would autoconf/automake be an option for the C part of parrot? No, its only available on a few systems. How do you mean that? You surely don't want to run the compiler

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 08:00, Jens Rieks wrote: On Tuesday 07 September 2004 07:52, Robert Schwebel wrote: Would autoconf/automake be an option for the C part of parrot? No, its only available on a few systems. Ok, this is probably a moot conversation because Metaconfig

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Andrew Dougherty
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Aaron Sherman wrote: On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 08:00, Jens Rieks wrote: On Tuesday 07 September 2004 07:52, Robert Schwebel wrote: Would autoconf/automake be an option for the C part of parrot? No, its only available on a few systems. Ok, this is probably a moot

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Robert Schwebel
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 10:52:01AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote: Ok, this is probably a moot conversation because Metaconfig (http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-12/compile_03.html) was written by Larry Wall for rn, and the Perl community has some serious social inertia when it comes to switching to

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 10:52:01AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote: Seriously, I've never come across any system that lacked autoconf support AND which a high level language like those that would target Parrot, ran on. If you're referring to the number of systems that have autoconf supports Win32?

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 11:59, Andrew Dougherty wrote: Both autoconf and metaconfig assume a unix-like environment. Ambitious plans for parrot's configure include non-unix environments too, such as VMS and all the ports where perl5 uses a manually-generated config.* template. autoconf assumes

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-07 Thread Andrew Rodland
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 03:47 pm, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 10:52:01AM -0400, Aaron Sherman wrote: Seriously, I've never come across any system that lacked autoconf support AND which a high level language like those that would target Parrot, ran on. If you're

No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Dan Sugalski
Right now configure.pl pulls a bunch of configuration information straight out of the current perl configuration. We need to stop that, and this is as good a time as any. If someone could go through and make a list of what info configure.pl pulls from perl, I'll start writing (or snagging :)

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 12:42, Dan Sugalski wrote: Right now configure.pl pulls a bunch of configuration information straight out of the current perl configuration. We need to stop that, and this is as good a time as any. If someone could go through and make a list of what info configure.pl

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 18:29, Aaron Sherman wrote: On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 12:42, Dan Sugalski wrote: If someone could go through and make a list of what info configure.pl pulls from perl, I'll start writing (or snagging :) the probing code to do it ourselves, so we can be perl-free, at

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 18:29, Aaron Sherman wrote: I think right now that info is all in config/init/data.pl, and it's Scratch that. I was grepping through the tree for Config{ which turns out to not catch the way %Config is used in most of the tree... I'll have a look and get you the details.

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Robert Schwebel
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 12:42:16PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: Right now configure.pl pulls a bunch of configuration information straight out of the current perl configuration. We need to stop that, and this is as good a time as any. If someone could go through and make a list of what info

Re: No-C, no programming project: Some configure investigation

2004-09-06 Thread Robert Schwebel
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 07:26:22AM +0200, Robert Schwebel wrote: If I can help testing cross compilation stuff please tell me. Unfortunately I don't know enough of the Perl/Parrot internals to be really useful for coding, but anyway. Would autoconf/automake be an option for the C part of