On Fri 11 May 2001 16:31, Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:55:42AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 07:40:04PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
By far most of my use of typeglobs is making aliases, and then mostly
for code:
David Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I think we should take a step back and answer a few key questions:
1. Do we want to be able to use Perl 5 modules in a
Perl 6 program (without conversion)?
For a while, quite possibly, I'd say.
When 5.6 came out, I was in module hell,
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:01:47PM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote:
Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] whispered:
| Peter Scott writes:
| : So, I wonder aloud, do we want to signify that degree of change with a more
| : dramatic change in the name?
|
|
At 05:23 PM 5/10/2001 -0700, Edward Peschko wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:00:13PM +0100, Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:49:30PM -0700, Edward Peschko wrote:
We need to keep syntactic compatibility, which means we need to keep the
ability for perl6 to USE PERL5.
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:55:42AM +0100, Graham Barr wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 07:40:04PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
By far most of my use of typeglobs is making aliases, and then mostly
for code:
*color = \colour;
I would say that probably the most common use now for
* Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/11/2001 07:19]:
I think you're in violent agreement here. This has been declared a
goal of Perl 6 from almost day one.
Ok, fair enough, but until just a little bit ago I was hearing stuff different
from Dan. That has been changed, apparently
Well, I think we should take a step back and answer a few key questions:
1. Do we want to be able to use Perl 5 modules in a
Perl 6 program (without conversion)?
For a while, quite possibly, I'd say.
When 5.6 came out, I was in module hell, trying to get 5.005 modules to
compile
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:56:38AM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
Well, I think we should take a step back and answer a few key questions:
1. Do we want to be able to use Perl 5 modules in a
Perl 6 program (without conversion)?
This would be desirable as it would allow people to
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 02:22:30PM -0400, David Grove wrote:
The largest problem may be in non-compiled modules, perl-only,
user-designed.
Actually, the largest problem will be *compiled* modules. XS, as it
is very chummy with the Perl internals, will flat out not work.
Anything that uses XS
From: Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Nathan Wiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Perl5 Compatibility, take 2 (Re: Perl, the new generation)
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:56:38AM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote:
2. Do we want to be able to switch between
All that follows is merely MHO, so feel free to disregard.
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nathan Wiger wrote:
Well, I think we should take a step back and answer a few key questions:
1. Do we want to be able to use Perl 5 modules in a
Perl 6 program (without conversion)?
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:55:36AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
If you talk that way, people are going to start believing it.
[snip]
Some of us are are talking that way because we already
beleive it. You can't make the transition from Attic
Greek to Koine without
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:13:13PM -0700, David Goehrig wrote:
Some of us are are talking that way because we already
beleive it. You can't make the transition from Attic
Greek to Koine without changing how people fundamentally
view their language.
Oh, hyperbole!
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 08:22:17PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
Oh, hyperbole! It's more like going from Katharevousa to Demotic.
(To pre-empt Philip Newton: Yes, I know, but going the other way wouldn't
have sounded like an advancement.)
--
An algorithm must be seen to be believed.
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:13:13PM -0700, David Goehrig wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:55:36AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
If you talk that way, people are going to start believing it.
[snip]
Some of us are are talking that way because we already
beleive it. You can't make
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:55:36AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
If you talk that way, people are going to start believing it.
[snip]
Some of us are are talking that way because we already
beleive it. You can't make the transition from Attic
Greek to Koine without changing
-Original Message-
From: Adam Turoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:31 PM
To: David Goehrig
Cc: Larry Wall; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Perl, the new generation
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:13:13PM -0700, David Goehrig wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2001
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:43:34AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
Peter Scott writes:
: So, I wonder aloud, do we want to signify that degree of change with a more
: dramatic change in the name?
I'm inclined to think that people will be more likely to migrate if
they subconsciously think we're
On Thu, 10 May 2001, David Grove wrote:
The changes are beautiful. It's calling it Perl and relying on subliminal
pursuasion to ask users to consider it the same that bothers me. That's a
very Microsoftish tactic.
No, it's Perl 6. If you want Perl 5 or even Perl 4 you know where
to find it.
Edward Peschko writes:
: On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:43:34AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: Peter Scott writes:
: : So, I wonder aloud, do we want to signify that degree of change with a more
: : dramatic change in the name?
:
: I'm inclined to think that people will be more likely to migrate
Edward Peschko writes:
: Although I would amend what he said to saying 'perl6 will eat perl 5 code
: close to painlessly as possible including typeglobs'. Typeglobs are a central
: part of a lot of CPAN's core modules; I don't think we could get away with
: abolishing them willy-nilly.
Much of
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